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So I'm getting some stuff shipped from Auckland to Melbourne. They gave me a quote which includes placement of stuff in my new place as I want, and re-assembly of stuff that they disassembled etc, and it does mention that there "may be additional costs for other than ground floor delivery". I assumed this additional cost would be imposed in cases of tricky access, or where there's no lift... Basically where additional work is required.

The company just emailed me today (after I let them know my new address, which is on the 7th floor of a building with a big operable lift, which would certainly fit all the boxes and stuff I have, nothing big like furniture of any kind) - and said that there's going to be a $135 additional charge for 7th floor delivery.

Here's my email dialogue after that:

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Hi Sue,

Could you please explain this $135 charge for me? The delivery team will be doing the exact same amount of work as they would had I been living on the ground floor - except for standing in a lift for 10 seconds. The lift is big enough and there is no tricky access. Where does the added cost for your company come from that's necessary to pass down to me? An extra 10% of the total cost just to bring it up a lift seems a bit hefty?

Thanks,
Luke


Her reply:

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Hello Luke. Thank you for your email. As our quote outlined, the delivery is to first floor only, and in the case of multi levels there are additional charges. This is for the additional time it does take for the crew to have to take the items up in a lift, and for the additional man that has to be put on the job, as the trucks are not allowed to be left unattended.


My reply:

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Hi Sue,

Could you please itemise for me what the $135 cost entails, in terms of what each element of the cost (time, extra man) is contributing to the total? I've got to be honest I'm pretty stunned at the amount there.

In comparison to a delivery to the ground level (which isn't a simple drop-off, since your service does include placement of all the items and re-assembly etc) having to use the lift is going to contribute a total of 2 or possibly 3 minutes to the total time. It takes less than 10 seconds each way, so that's 20 seconds for one whole trip, and possibly it will take 5 or 6 trips for two men to bring all the stuff up.

Regarding the extra man, does that mean that there will be 3 men on the job now? When all my stuff was collected, there were two men that left the truck unattended the whole time, and they had to carry things down 6-7 flights of stairs and there was no charge there.

Thanks,
Luke


Am I being unreasonable? Confused
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I certainly dont think so. In fact, I think it seems ridiculous! Stick to your guns, mang, if there was no extra charge to walk up and down a stairwell, there should be no extra charge to stand in a lift for 20 seconds.
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lol...that's pretty rough...gotta love clauses like that there entirely to fuck you over!
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Ask her to explain why a non first floor apartment needs an additional man over a first floor apartment?
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lift your game Pechora.... ya moany git

do we have to live your life one complaint at a time - if so please at least try to be entertaining

refer to http://www.27bslash6.com/

are you being unreasonable yes (well no) - expecting a service not to include stupid surcharges.... in this day and age

commie
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jbs - Yeah I was thinking that too. Just sent this follow up:

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Hi Sue,

I'll actually re-state my questions just so it's a bit more clear. Your quote explains that there "may" be additional charges for non ground-floor deliveries, rather than stating on the quote a flat fee for this of $135. This implies that there are times when there are no additional charges, and one would logically conclude that the times where there are additional charges, are the times when more costs are imposed for your business that you need to recover. I'm just seeking clarification on these costs, so that I know what I'm paying for. There's two costs that you've identified:

a) The extra time. As discussed below, this is going to be an extra 2, or possibly 3 minutes maximum relative to a standard ground floor delivery.

b) The extra man. This part is confusing for me too. Relative to a ground floor delivery, why is an extra man required? In both cases, someone will apparently need to be outside by the truck so that it's not left unattended (even though this wasn't the case when my items were picked up), and someone else will need to be inside unpacking, placing my items, re-assembling etc. The only difference is that in my specific case, the person who is coming inside and doing all those things will have to stand in a lift first.

I would completely understand if the men had to haul heavy up several flights of stairs or manouevre through a tricky maze of hallways to reach my apartment - but it's just a simple elevator ride away, and I don't have any big furniture or anything, so would appreciate this charge being reviewed to ensure that it's reasonable for the amount of imposition my 7th floor residence is actually going to cause you.

Would appreciate your feedback,
Luke
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If that doesn't work just pay the money but construct a maze leading to your house. Then dress up as a minotaur and see how they like that.

Edit: Actually just them if they don't wave the fee they won't be able to use the lift.
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Yak as someone who has moved a fair bit of heavy shit around, moving stuff in and out of lifts etc. is actually a fucking big deal.

If they're hiring an additional guy to watch the truck as well that's probably $50 straight off the bat.

The extra $ for moving stuff into a lift - the last thing I moved we ended up having the rivets pop out of (was a locker) and so we had to fix the rivets before we could load the shit into a lift etc.

So, yeah, wouldn't call it entirely unreasonable from my experience.
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It seems reasonable to me. We run a truck and we charge extra if we have to do extra work - why should we charge people who have an easy situation.

They made it clear to you at the beginning, if you were worried you should have asked for an indicative price for moving into an apartment.
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welcome to Australia, things like moving seem to cost a shit load more!
We moved two streets up in brissy, cost us about $600bucks

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So you are moaning like a bitch and they still have your stuff????


LOL!
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That's actually a pretty good point - at the end of the day, they still have your stuff. How much do you want to win the argument versus how much do you want your stuff back.
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vadinho said:
Yak as someone who has moved a fair bit of heavy shit around, moving stuff in and out of lifts etc. is actually a fucking big deal.


Maybe to a retarded douchebag like you it is a big deal, to anyone with half a brain (and a key to a goods lift which locks the doors/keeps the lift locked at the floor you're on like most apartment buildings here have) moving in and out with a lift is a million times easier than going up and down 7 flights of stairs...not to mention you could maybe read the thread and pick up that Yak ISN'T moving ANY "heavy shit", there's no large furniture, no whiteware, it's just boxes of clothes and crap...hardly a "fucking big deal" Rolling Eyes

Go with jbs's idea...they can't use the lift if they charge you this extra fee, see how they like that! Laughing
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insanity regardless of weight... effort of moving up 7 floors in a lift will add a lot more time to the job, yes its a million times easier than 7 flights of stairs, which is why the excess charge isn't 1 million australian dollars

unload truck...load lift...unload lift... unpack in apartment....

needless to say let not logisitics get in the way of a good rant nor for Pech a letter writing opportuinty
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bob daktari said:
ya moany git
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Insanity said:
and a key to a goods lift which locks the doors/keeps the lift locked at the floor you're on like most apartment buildings here have


I like how you're such a fuckwit you explain that like we're some uneducated masses who've never heard of such things as lock mode on lifts and none of our buildings have them.
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Seems excessive but not unreasonable, and as pointed out, they have your shit.
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why can't you just get it delivered to the ground floor outside the door of the lift and do the rest yourself. like push button number 7 and unpack lift into apartment.
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kris_b said:
Insanity said:
and a key to a goods lift which locks the doors/keeps the lift locked at the floor you're on like most apartment buildings here have


I like how you're such a fuckwit you explain that like we're some uneducated masses who've never heard of such things as lock mode on lifts and none of our buildings have them.


I directly quoted the person the post was intended for who clearly does seem pretty stupid in this regard...if you assume it was in any way directed to you, or that I think you're part of the uneducated masses who doesn't understand how simple this task is, but thinks that it's a "fucking big deal", that be your problem, not mine...
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Insanity said:
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Hello Luke. I have spoken to the crew in Melbourne, and they can waive this fee if you can provide a person to be on standby with the truck at the time of delivery, as they cannot leave it unattended. Is this something you would be prepared to assist with? I await your instructions. Thanks.


Owned... :>
Well, kind of heh
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That's easy, just post yourself there and leave the men to carry your shit like they're supposed to! Laughing

Nice work...
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Insanity said:
vadinho said:
Yak as someone who has moved a fair bit of heavy shit around, moving stuff in and out of lifts etc. is actually a fucking big deal.


Maybe to a retarded douchebag like you it is a big deal, to anyone with half a brain (and a key to a goods lift which locks the doors/keeps the lift locked at the floor you're on like most apartment buildings here have) moving in and out with a lift is a million times easier than going up and down 7 flights of stairs...not to mention you could maybe read the thread and pick up that Yak ISN'T moving ANY "heavy shit", there's no large furniture, no whiteware, it's just boxes of clothes and crap...hardly a "fucking big deal" Rolling Eyes

Go with jbs's idea...they can't use the lift if they charge you this extra fee, see how they like that! Laughing


You're a fucking idiot insanity.
I have worked as a mover. As in, moving shit fulltime for money. I also move stuff around our 7 storey building. all. the time,. WITH AN ELEVATOR LOCKOUT.
And it's still a mission. Understand? Next time you want to show me how little a deal it is, fly over when we're moving some lockers and you can cold rivet the fuckers back together yourself while I piss on your face.
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You are the fucking idiot because you're comparing apples with fucking oranges...Yak isn't moving fucking rivetted lockers, he isn't moving large heavy appliances, he's moving some boxes of crap...the moving company, since stating they're not going to change the fee so long as he watches the van, obviously doesn't feel that the lift is a problem, else they'd still be charging, wouldn't they, shit for brains? But no, no the mighty Vadinho can't possibly be wrong about something, unheard of! Go fuck yourself...or your sister...or mother...which ever you prefer...facts are facts, douchebag, YOU'RE WRONG...moving company doesn't give a rats about the lift, it's not "a big fucking deal" at all
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FRNDS 4 LYFE!
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Insanity said:
rant


dont forget the thread title is
"does this seem exhorbitant"
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Insanity said:
You are the fucking idiot because you're comparing apples with fucking oranges...Yak isn't moving fucking rivetted lockers, he isn't moving large heavy appliances, he's moving some boxes of crap...the moving company, since stating they're not going to change the fee so long as he watches the van, obviously doesn't feel that the lift is a problem, else they'd still be charging, wouldn't they, shit for brains? But no, no the mighty Vadinho can't possibly be wrong about something, unheard of! Go fuck yourself...or your sister...or mother...which ever you prefer...facts are facts, douchebag, YOU'RE WRONG...moving company doesn't give a rats about the lift, it's not "a big fucking deal" at all


I just re-read his first post and NOWHERE does it say he's only moving a few small boxes. He may well be moving a locker.
I've moved desks, bookcases, clothes, computers, tables. you name it son. What have you moved? Your finger from your dad's anus into your own?
While you sit at your desk like a pussy, I worked like a man. How's that pedicure, girlysanity?
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peat said:
dont forget the thread title is
"does this seem exhorbitant"


and each time I see it I think

yaksha made a spelling mistake
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vadinho said:
I just re-read his first post and NOWHERE does it say he's only moving a few small boxes. He may well be moving a locker.


Pechora said:
(I have, nothing big like furniture of any kind)


6th line
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vadinho said:
I've moved desks, bookcases, clothes, computers, tables. you name it son. What have you moved? Your finger from your dad's anus into your own?
While you sit at your desk like a pussy, I worked like a man. How's that pedicure, girlysanity?


Laughing Laughing Laughing

Where have ya been Vad-D? Very Happy
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Night Rider said:
vadinho said:
I just re-read his first post and NOWHERE does it say he's only moving a few small boxes. He may well be moving a locker.


Pechora said:
(I have, nothing big like furniture of any kind)


6th line


"Boxes and stuff". stuff could well be lockers. cold riveted lockers. they aren't really furniture. furniture is stuff you sit on or eat off.
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Could we please hear some more about these lockers?
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just to bring a bit of logic to the equation .... the only way I see that seventh floor/stairs/lift/whatever as relevant - is the extent to which such could make the job longer - eg lift has only so much capacity, and may require a few trips depending on the amount of stuff to move - why not just charge out that extra time on the standard per hour basis?

a flat surcharge seems unnecessary

also, I've never seen a removal company send just one person - two are always sent for obvious reasons!
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a locker is hardly small and would fall into the category of sideboards, coffee tables, beds, armoires etc

i.e "things that are big, like furniture"

perhaps you'd have preferred it if he said "nothing big or heavy"...
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jbs said:
Could we please hear some more about these lockers?


carry guns. lots of guns. just in case.
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I once un-riveted a locker in Reno, just to see it fall apart.
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jbs said:
Could we please hear some more about these lockers?


They're cold riveted.
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Night Rider said:
a locker is hardly small and would fall into the category of sideboards, coffee tables, beds, armoires etc

i.e "things that are big, like furniture"

perhaps you'd have preferred it if he said "nothing big or heavy"...


A coffee table is big? Son, big is my dick. Big is a fridge. Big is a super king bed.

A locker ain't big.

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pussy. and you claim that's heavy?

you ain't seen my coffe table

or tried to lift it
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I like the threads where Insanity swears a lot Smile

Sod you all, wankfuckers!
etc

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Bn1 said:
I like the threads where Insanity swears a lot Smile

Sod you all, wankfuckers!
etc



I quite like 'shit for brains!' and 'douchebag!'
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Tragic said:
Bn1 said:
I like the threads where Insanity swears a lot Smile

Sod you all, wankfuckers!
etc



I quite like 'shit for brains!' and 'douchebag!'


It’s all he has to make up for his lack of intelligence and debating skills.

Music
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I'm moving house - why the fuck would I have cold-riveted lockers? Razz I have about 6 normal moving boxes, and then a chair (which has wheels) and a TV. The TV is biggish I guess (42"Wink but still easily carried by 2 people. I mean one person could carry the weight easy enough, but just not that safely in terms of its dimensions. But that's it Razz

Anyway - they saw sense in the end it seems.

In other news - does anyone want a free moving truck in about 4 weeks? Cash on pickup Razz
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Night Rider said:

yaksha made a spelling mistake


FML Sad
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Pechora said:
why the fuck would I have cold-riveted lockers?


Why wouldn't you? They're cold-riveted!
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vadinho said:
. What have you moved? Your finger from your dad's anus into your own?
While you sit at your desk like a pussy, I worked like a man. How's that pedicure, girlysanity?




Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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vadinho said:
and you can cold rivet the fuckers back together yourself while I piss on your face.

Laughing Laughing Laughing
Poetry! This is what it sounds like, when doves cry.

Also, come back to facebook Vads ya cunny.
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Maybe there'll be some sort of discount when moving stuff to your new place?
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Pechora said:
Night Rider said:

yaksha made a spelling mistake


FML Sad


I was thinking you must have had whores on your mind
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kris_b said:
I once un-riveted a locker in Reno, just to see it fall apart.



Laughing Laughing Laughing!!! Spectacularly out of the blue Very Happy
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Style. Function. Lockability.

Cold Riveted Lockers
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Laughing Thread is awesome! All I take from Vadz’s stupid rants is that he thinks he’s an expert with moving (like everything else he thinks he’s an expert on) yet can’t move a simple fucking locker without breaking it?!?! And knows better than the moving company in question that moving stuff in a lift is a “fucking big deal”…fucking gold, son, GOLD

How does your "working like a man" and moving lockers benefit society, the greater good, are you sure you're not inadvertently making someone rich?

Such a fucking douchebag
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You're wrong.
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No, no I'm not...if the lift was the "big fucking deal" and the deciding factor on the extra charges, the company would still be charging, but they're not, are they? So who's wrong? That's right, Vadz is Froggy
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No, you are.
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OK, child
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Needs more profanity and name calling.
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kris_b said:
Needs more profanity and name calling.


Shitty fuckeddy fuck, ass face, stupid swedish dildo licker.
'bout the best I can manage at the moment, I cant see from laughing so hard at this thread.
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kris_b said:
Needs more profanity and name calling.


You're not worth my fingers time Razz
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I bet you say that to all the girls.
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Insanity said:
You're not worth my fingers time Razz


That's a blatant lie.
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kris_b said:
Pechora said:
why the fuck would I have cold-riveted lockers?


Why wouldn't you? They're cold-riveted!



Gold!

(not the lockers but, them looking silver!)
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I found a new place finally! Living with an Iranian physicist specialising in bio-radiation safety. Haha... Haven't told my current flatmate yet. She's been hassling me about paying bond the last couple days - I basically told her to GTFO I'm not paying bond when I'm already on notice to leave. She said if I don't pay bond she will reduce the notice to 14 days - but now I can move into this new place tomorrow so I don't have to worry. I was looking forward to finding a new place so I can fuck with her mind - but I just can't be bothered anymore :/

Anyway - so this new place is on the 17th floor of a building in Southbank, so I emailed the removalists today and let them know the new address. And look what I got back:

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Hi Luke. The delivery fee is AUD200.00 inclusive of GST.

I do not have the shipping details, but I will have them on Monday when the loadings are done - hope to let you know then. Thanks.

Regards

Sue Cole
Sales Consultant
Grace Removals New Zealand


LOL ... this shit is getting out of control.

So it was $135 to send to the 7th floor, but $200 to send to the 17th floor. So unless it's some weirdo exponential scale, it looks like it's $6.50 per floor + $90.50 for some reason.

Each floor would take like what, 2 seconds in the lift.
So across 4 trips (2 up, 2 down, which is plenty for the amount of stuff) that's 8 seconds.
So they're getting paid $6.50 per 8 seconds, or $2990 per hour for standing in a lift?

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I think you need to get quantitative on their asses. That is quite clearly taking the mickey.
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Pechora said:
I found a new place finally! Living with an Iranian physicist specialising in bio-radiation safety. Haha... Haven't told my current flatmate yet. She's been hassling me about paying bond the last couple days - I basically told her to GTFO I'm not paying bond when I'm already on notice to leave. She said if I don't pay bond she will reduce the notice to 14 days - but now I can move into this new place tomorrow so I don't have to worry. I was looking forward to finding a new place so I can fuck with her mind - but I just can't be bothered anymore :/

Anyway - so this new place is on the 17th floor of a building in Southbank, so I emailed the removalists today and let them know the new address. And look what I got back:

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Hi Luke. The delivery fee is AUD200.00 inclusive of GST.

I do not have the shipping details, but I will have them on Monday when the loadings are done - hope to let you know then. Thanks.

Regards

Sue Cole
Sales Consultant
Grace Removals New Zealand


LOL ... this shit is getting out of control.

So it was $135 to send to the 7th floor, but $200 to send to the 17th floor. So unless it's some weirdo exponential scale, it looks like it's $6.50 per floor + $90.50 for some reason.

Each floor would take like what, 2 seconds in the lift.
So across 4 trips (2 up, 2 down, which is plenty for the amount of stuff) that's 8 seconds.
So they're getting paid $6.50 per 8 seconds, or $2990 per hour for standing in a lift?



Your lift covers a floor in 2 seconds? Bet you $500 you can't get in the lift, hit the button for one floor up or down, and be out the door on that floor in 2 seconds.
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Hey you moved to a high wage economy

Look what you did there

Razz
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Hmmm I'm wondering.... what if you were to ride the lift up with the goods, and they took the passenger lift? Then all they would have to do is take out the boxes from the lift and unpack as per a normal house (minus the 34sec lift ride)!

VADS SEMANTICS EDIT - 34sec + (2x5) = 44sec
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Is the new flat further away than the previous?
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If it's coming off a ship, then it'll be closer than the previous. Plus, delivery is (meant to be) included by the sounds of things.
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vadinho said:
Your lift covers a floor in 2 seconds? Bet you $500 you can't get in the lift, hit the button for one floor up or down, and be out the door on that floor in 2 seconds.


Irrelevant though right? It's $135 delivery fee for the 7th floor. So that already includes hitting the button, and getting in and out. For the EXTRA 10 floors, it's another $65, which is essentially the time it takes to get from the 7th to 17th floor when it's already going at full speed right? 2 seconds is pretty generous.
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Pechora said:
vadinho said:
Your lift covers a floor in 2 seconds? Bet you $500 you can't get in the lift, hit the button for one floor up or down, and be out the door on that floor in 2 seconds.


Irrelevant though right? It's $135 delivery fee for the 7th floor. So that already includes hitting the button, and getting in and out. For the EXTRA 10 floors, it's another $65, which is essentially the time it takes to get from the 7th to 17th floor when it's already going at full speed right? 2 seconds is pretty generous.


Depends. What if one of the cold rivets pops out at, say, floor 11? and they need to repair it? that's taking more than 2 seconds.
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Got a touch of objectophilia there pal? Sad
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wait wait... Iranian Physicist? Are you sure ASIO isn't gonna be busting down your door?