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They said Drum N Bass was dead in Mix Mag (lol)..

But does anyone else think Dance Music should go back to it's roots? Wharehouse, House Parties, Back Underground and away from the Super Club/Star DJ mentality...

After all... Many of todays DJ's are just spinning other peoples records right.. Exceptions with people like DJ Marky and Craze of course - who are outstanding with their technical skills.


However have a read of this article.. I would like to see it go back to the Underground Myself and think this decline in clubbing and over hyped glamour is what it needs.


Peace..


Friday October 3, 2003
The Guardian

Ibiza is in the grip of an unexpected storm. The rain is so sudden and so violent that not even the world's biggest nightclub, Privilege, is immune to its effects. Inside the club, the electricity fuses, bringing Manumission's final party of the summer to a temporary halt. The club is plunged into darkness. Fatboy Slim's DJ set is silenced. More disconcertingly, water starts to trickle through the ceiling on to the heads of the clubbers below.

None of this seems to dim the enthusiasm of the performers up on the large, specially constructed stage at one end of Privilege's main hall. They were midway through one of the choreographed routines that pepper Manumission's nights when the storm stuck. As your eyes become accustomed to the gloom, you can vaguely see a troupe of grimly determined dancing girls and a man dressed as a Keystone Kop ploughing on as if nothing untoward has happened. They are joined by somebody resourceful with a torch who gamely attempts to illuminate the proceedings single-handedly until the lights come back on.

It's the sort of thing that would make most club promoters bury their heads in their hands, but backstage, Andy, one of the two English brothers behind Manumission, is oozing with Dunkirk spirit. "You would have to turn up the week the power goes off," he says, chuckling. He has reason to be in a good mood. Power cut or not, Manumission is full, which is more than can be said of some of its rivals. "Ibiza has had a hard summer," says one club employee. "There are just fewer people here than there were before. It's become more expensive - prices have deliberately gone up to try and counter that Ibiza Uncut image of the place. There also used to be loads of Australians and Americans, but they haven't come, presumably because of the Bali bombing."

If Ibiza is experiencing a downturn, it is simply following the rest of club culture, which seems to have been on the skids for the past three years. The most visible casualties of its ongoing failure are the superclubs, the huge dance nights that became brand names, flogging everything from compilation albums to clothes plastered with their logos. Last year, Cream closed - attendance at its 3,500-capacity Liverpool club was rumoured to have dropped to 400. Sheffield's Gatecrasher switched from a weekly to a monthly operation.

The consensus was that things were bottoming out, but in recent months the picture has got even grimmer. The dance magazine Muzik closed. Its competitor, Mixmag, announced a 30% drop in sales. The original superclub, Ministry of Sound, pulled its latest publishing venture, Trash, from the shelves after only one issue, and launched a radical rethink at its south London venue. In an attempt to lure back thirtysomethings, it introduced a bar where you can book a table with waitress service "on a minimum bar spend basis". "The super DJ and the superclub game is over," announced chief executive Mark Rodol.

Everyone has an idea what the problems are. I spent a vast proportion of my 20s in clubs and at raves, first as a goggle-eyed punter, then as a writer for Mixmag. Like a lot of former indie fans, I was lured away from guitars and gigs in sticky-floored student unions by the promise of a more sophisticated and exciting alternative. Club culture seemed more stylish and fashion-conscious, its music more forward-thinking, its choice of intoxicants more thrilling than the obligatory pint of snakebite and black. But gradually every aspect of its appeal seems to have been eroded.

Clubbing lost its edge. Its fashions stopped turning up in the high street six months later. Who's going to walk down their high street dressed like a cyberkid, the club tribe who wear clothes decorated with the Mitsubishi logo ("mitsubishis" being a particularly potent brand of ecstasy), fluorescent make-up and hair, and have a penchant for sucking babies' dummies?

Dance music stopped progressing, too. Most observers blamed this on the tiny clique of ageing, overpaid "superstar DJs" who dictated clubland's musical content, despite the fact that they were 20 years older than the average clubber. Even ecstasy lost its countercultural allure. Where once it was an illicit secret whose powers were known only to ravers, these days it's everywhere. While numbers in clubs have dwindled, ecstasy use has doubled over the past five years. It's so ingrained inmainstream British culture that last year the columnist Decca Aitkenhead published a book in which she detailed her worldwide quest for the "perfect E".

But if everyone knows what the problems are, nobody seems so sure of the solutions. Which is why I'm back in Ibiza, five years after I decided I was getting a bit old for this sort of thing, hung up my glowstick and announced that the only time I would be taking to the dance floor in future was when wedding discos played Stayin' Alive.

I'm startled by how swiftly dance culture has waned. Dance music even seems to have been eradicated from history, like a distant embarrassing relation we no longer discuss. Most accounts of pop in the 90s, when club culture was at its peak and dance acts such as Underworld, Orbital and Leftfield regularly made the top 10, neglect to mention it at all, preferring to concentrate on Britpop and Cool Britannia. Is all this just a temporary blip, an example of the cyclical nature of fashion? Or is it really all over? Has club culture irrevocably gone a bit Pete Tong?

Manumission is the only superclub that appears to have survived into the new decade more or less intact. In the mid-90s it quickly became the most famous club in Ibiza, largely thanks to the fact that its parties ended with a live sex show. These days, the live show is still integral to the club's success, but it is slightly toned down. Nobody actually has sex any more. There's plenty of flesh on display, but it apparently comes with a caring, ecologically minded spin. In the club, Manumission's publicist hands me a small book: "You might want to look at this. It's basically what the show is based on." It's called The Little Earth Book, an earnest work of non-fiction. It features articles about commercial eugenics, the World Trade Organisation and sustainable development. It quotes John Pilger, Jonathan Porritt and George Monbiot. Up on stage, a man in a tuxedo is singing Cole Porter's Anything Goes, while behind him women with spangly hats in the shape of liquorice allsorts take their clothes off.

Indeed, quite what The Little Earth Book has to do with any of what the club calls The Phantasmagorical Manumission Murder Mystery and Nearly Naked Review is a matter of some conjecture: the rest of the evening's entertainments variously include a woman stripping while doing tricks on a trapeze, a troupe of muscular Cuban acrobats performing an unwittingly camp skipping routine, and a man juggling with bottles of mineral water. The grand finale features the dancing girls, the Keystone Kop and the club's promoters chasing each other around the stage to a dance version of the Benny Hill Show theme tune. Midway through, the storm gets worse and there's another power cut. I take advantage of the brief silence to ask the guy standing next to me what he makes of it all. He shrugs: "At most clubs, the grand finale involves watching a middle-aged bloke playing records." You have to admit he's got a point. Whatever you make of the club's theatrical pretensions, you could never accuse Manumission of not trying.

If you were being cynical, you might suggest that Manumission is trying to do virtually anything to distract attention from the music. Promoter Andy is justifiably proud of the club's back room, where hip indie bands including the Rapture and spoof R&B act Har Mar Superstar have played over the summer. In the main hall, however, the DJs play records that sound virtually identical to the music that I remember from six years ago.

In search of something new, I head back to Britain and to a Soho-based night called Nag Nag Nag, famed as the home of a cutting-edge dance music that they have catchily titled "no-wave electroclash disco pogo". They are at pains to distinguish themselves from the 1980s revival artists who proved among 2002's costliest hypes: "We have more in common with Ozzy Osbourne than we do with Fischerspooner."

Nevertheless, it's hard not approach Nag Nag Nag with a degree of trepidation. It has the sort of reputation that would leave the most devoted clubber strongly considering the benefits of a night on the sofa watching Location Location Location. It is, according to one article, "the party the celebs adore", where Kate Moss is apparently a regular. Another suggests it is "the place to be if you're beautiful enough", praises its "self-proclaimed style-fascist doormen" and informs us that its clientele dress "à la Duran Duran". However, when I arrive, legwarmer-wearing fashionistas and self-proclaimed style-fascist doormen are noticeably absent. It turns out that I have mercifully missed the boat. "That fashion crowd used to come here, but after about four months they left," says one of the club's promoters, a 26-year-old Canadian who calls herself Jo Jo De Freq. "That's what the fashion crowd do. I kind of prefer it now."

What they have left behind is a tiny, sweaty club packed with people dancing with something approaching wild abandon. The music is fantastic - an off-kilter, rather sleazy hybrid of techno, punk and early 80s electropop that sounds genuinely different and challenging - not adjectives that have been regularly associated with dance music in recent years. In fact, it's almost too cutting-edge: you can't imagine it ever making the leap from a tiny Soho basement to Top of the Pops.

That's not a criticism likely to be levelled at my final destination, the Wigan Pier Nitespot. It's Friday night and the queue snakes around the block. Inside, the speakers blare out an unending stream of fast, bouncy, pop-trance. It's dance music purged of its funk, its swing, its black roots. It takes its inspiration from 80s AOR - samples from old U2 records and cover versions of drivetime hits such as Don Henley's The Boys of Summer abound. The crowd are young and dressed down: baseball caps, crops and shellsuits for the boys, high street miniskirts for the girls. They know every record. They cheer and sing along.

The club's owner, Terry Lennon, seems surprised that I'm here at all ("We had a journalist here once before," he remembers, "but he wanted to ask us about George Orwell"), and with good reason. No one has settled on a generic name for the music the Wigan Pier plays, possibly because it attracts a level of criticism that would make your average manufactured pop act wince. It is despised by everyone from Mixmag to Radio 1. "People don't understand it, especially in London," admits Cris Nuttall, whose Bolton-based label All Around the World has cornered the market. "They say it's cheesy, which seems to mean it's got a melody. There are eight different dance shows on Radio 1 and not one of them will play our music. It's populist music. I think people like it because it's really good."

"One radio producer said he wouldn't play it because it sounded too 'council estate'," agrees his partner, Matt Cadman. "Which is pretty disparaging, really."

While you're musing upon Nuttall and Cadman's indignant protestations of cruelly misunderstood artistry, you should perhaps note that the duo have also released Music, My Arse!, an album of pub-singer standards by The Royle Family's Ricky Tomlinson, and the work of DJ Aligator, whose forthcoming single Stomp is a dance remix of Colonel Bogey. Nevertheless, they are at the centre of a real phenomenon. In 2003, theirs is the only genuine club music that regularly makes the charts. The scant handful of other recent dance hits - Room 5's Make Luv and Elton John's obscure 1979 disco track Are You Ready For Love? - have reached the charts not because a club DJ has played them, but because people heard them on adverts for deodorant and digital TV. Whatever you think of Nuttall and Cadman's string of top 10 hits - Ultrabeat's Pretty Green Eyes, Kelly Llorrena's Tell It to My Heart, Flip and Fill's Shooting Star - they achieved their success with little radio play and no television coverage. They were "broken" through a handful of northwestern clubs like Wigan Pier. "The media doesn't want to know, because they're obsessed with being cool," says Nuttall, "but what some 30-year-old in London thinks is cool is irrelevant to a teenager in Barnsley. Wigan Pier is young, it feels relevant, there's coachloads of people turning up from all over the north."

On a balcony by the Wigan Pier's DJ box, I look down at the dance floor. The view reveals something about what went wrong with dance music and why the superclubs failed. They were trapped between populism and elitism, unsure whether they wanted to be vast, money-spinning corporations or snobbish cliques. They tried to be both and succeeded only in alienating everybody. The ultra-hip clientele they craved were put off by the size, the branding, the relentless money-grabbing. And the sort of people who fill Wigan Pier were disenfranchised by the dress codes and the DJs who insisted on "educating the crowd", by the unmistakable sense that the superclubs thought they weren't quite good enough to join in. In his DJ box, resident Ben Trengove says: "People here don't want to be told what to wear or what to dance to. It's a basic, raw club. We put a new carpet in once a year, that's about it for frills."

But if the Wigan Pier's dance floor reminds you what went wrong with club culture, it also proves that reports of clubbing's death have been exaggerated. What's going on at Wigan Pier - and Nag Nag Nag and Manumission - might be wildly different from clubs in their mid-90s heyday, but they're still clubs and they're still packed. Club culture might never exert the influence it once did, but it has become more fragmented and diverse. You could say the same thing about rock music, which has never really had the same grip on the public consciousness as it did in the mid-60s. And nobody ever claims that's dead.

And it still has the power to shock and surprise even a jaded ex-clubber like me. As closing time approaches, Trengove begins playing what he calls "really old-school records". I expect him to start playing 70s disco, or early 80s hip-hop. Instead, he puts on a succession of 90s club anthems.

I can remember when each of them first came out. Feeling as old as the hills, I get my coat and leave.
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hhhmmmmmm yes i have had that feeling to for some time now until i got re-introduced to psy trance and i have never looked back ......
production wise its on top of the music chain in my eyes then closely followed by drum & bass which have always stayed close to thier underground roots there is never a dull moment and iits always fresh and thetre is always something new coming out at almost every psy party ive been to in the past 3 or so years its really execellent to see this happening for myself and i never get sick of it
peace the mad kiwi ......... Wave


p.s catalyst went off big time last night with concord dawn smashing my brains in to oblivion exellent work guys
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I dont feel that the music is dieing, its just the clubs, people are still listing to it.. take GEORGE FM for instance that reaches a huge audience, while they might not be out clubin they still listen to it in there lounges. Maybe im getting older but its not about the drugs so much, however they are great, or the clubs, its about the people you are with. I think the music is changin for the better, house music just gets better and better.
I cant comment on the other types as i dont listen to them anymore

that is all

Music
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honest to God i skipped your input. Am not sure if people that aint jaffas exist.
Frig if you want to write a bible join the mormons
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if that doesn't work well, go move yr fuckin feet. [/i]
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Are interesting threads in biggie dying?
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Well biggie isn’t really the place for a broad spectrum of interesting threads Infinitum.

The fact that this is mainly a dance music orientated forum means that you will always have people and topics related to Dance Music posting.

However if you want an interesting thread.. Just ask...

I have many topics and information that you may find interesting to read.
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Ha rival haw long u been up and it was a very interesting thread.
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sup rival.u finally get that laptop u been talkin bout.Hows da new house bro?
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bedlam said:
honest to God i skipped your input. Am not sure if people that aint jaffas exist.
Frig if you want to write a bible join the mormons
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if that doesn't work well, go move yr fuckin feet. [/i]



What?

did you smoke crack before you posted that?

Infinitum and bedlam If a post doesn't interest you, don't feel you have to write some nonsensical bullshit. Just just go back to looking at animal porn. Mr. Green



Anyway...


I believe the term "Rock'n Roll is dead" was first coined in the 60's and has been constantly used in the decades since.... and yet rock is having a resurgence and is just as popular now as it ever was.... rock'n roll will never die.

Similarly electronica has gone far beyond the point of being a passing fad, it may not be ‘In’ according to the unqualified pompous fashion police, but mark my words, it will have a resurgence…

I might also remind you that both hip-hop and skateboarding were originally thought of in their early years as passing fads.

We all know the underground scenes of Drum N bass and Breakbeat are still going as strong as ever worldwide, it seems that only the big cheesy clubs have died out, and, it’s interesting to note that the same magazines that brought dance music into the main stream and were in turn the cause of dance music’s over-popularization are now the same voice saying that dance music is Naff.

Popular culture magazines love to think that they are the forerunner of the latest fashion, and try to convince you that there 'what's Hot and what's not list' should be followed religiously.

Just check the recent jump onto this “electronica is dead rock is back” buzz all the English mags are on. It is a shame as well because bands like the D4 and the Datsuns do it because they love it and were doing it when it was considered “uncool”. But no doubt they will still go through this over popularization and will in a few months/ years be on the ‘ What’s not List’ of course, more than likely, and thankfully these guys will keep playing rock for the love of it, because of their healthy attitude towards pop mags…. That is: they couldn’t give a flying fuck.
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Nice 1 Twin Cam.well said. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Sup Boys.

Melbourne rocks.. Found this club called ACE MORNING and it is an exact replica of what Motion was back in the day. Down to earth vibes.. Full of Electro Break Beat freaks.. Hip Hop.. Techno.. DnB Headz.. Well away from the Commercial Light and Big Sound System...

DJ Dreadford plays there once a month.. and Rolex MC's often.. I was too mashed to play the other night.. This English Bird wanted me to go back to back with her..

But Rolex said I should go Front to Back with her.. lol

But I felt like my Masculinity was on the line.. This chic played the fucking ruffest, darkest, hardest tunes.. I was like shit I can't play this stuff.. I like the Tech Step Funk girl.. that and I was bit mashed

So I didn't play.. But playing at a club on Friday and it's going to be live on the Radio. Cher

Nope havn't got that Lap Top yet nag dam it.. Been to busy getting other furniture.. Will do when it becomes applicable.

Peace Yo's

Oh and TwinCam... You tock the fucking words right out of my mouth brother!!! It's all about dem cycles we go through...

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You gusy should venture up to Auckers for a LuvDup or TROUBLE! sometime.....welcome to microclubbing at it's best.....

mates throwing parties for mates.....anyone else that's lovely and up for it. Always make new friends, very friendly vibe and the music is allllllll good!

Also, start early.....and I mean REALLY start. Doors open at 9pm and they go until 4am. Plenty of time to get some sleep and not be wrecked for the weekend/week that follows.

Even if you are going LARGE it just means you 'get your party for one' started a few hours earlier.....still have a storming Friday night!

Always a nice sized group too. Luvdup is limited to 150. About that at TROUBLE! a couple of weeks ago and that will top out at about 300.
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Stayin on the subject of things.In the Drum n Bass things i havent realy
heard any good dance floor rock the house down tracks for a long time not saying there will be any more but im hoping it will happen.
In the Breakbeat seen theres been just a flud of remix tracks and bootlegs and shopping for tracks for me has slowed down.Is this going to be the next crazz in breakbeat.
Just a throught werd! Music
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Yeah the 'thread' market,theres some good numbers there.....

I see what he's doing...

Oh while we're advertising on threads.
My little sister has a Releigh 20 for sale,1982/bannana seat/rear vision mirrors......Shiny,Disco Colours.......lovely. offers please.


Back to the thread.....

I think dance music is about to push rock underground.Or is begining to.
Its a bit like "join electro or get left behind.
The pop world is allready starting to cotton on to it.Not through anything other than great music and excellent marketing.
I dont think that anyone person can save it,or change it.

I think the real quetion here is,Its easy to get to the top,but how long before you burn out?

Chemical bros;leftfield;prodigy;jurassic 5;wu tang clan type artists/performers could be the new version of 'the band'.

DJ's will allways be around,the artists need the promotion,and the clubs need to have the newest version.

And thats my version.
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read this thread guys it explains everything about what i feel about the dance scene right now : my psychadelic experience

http:biggie.co.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36780


its a bit of a read but worth it in my eyes it explains everything
peace the mad kiwi Wave
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woops thats http://biggie.co.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36780
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well... heres my 2 cents

the club scene is definately drying up along with the seratonin of the punters,,, krd is not the vibrent mecca for subculture it used to be and well the rock and roll a4 black and white poster kids have a lot to answer for in .
But We are lucky in NZ as our market is not as huge as the ones in europe etc so I think the death o dance music is a long way off.
However I do think that all of us that are involved in the various scenes should change the ethos of our paticular genres . and focus less on the image and more on the music not the consumer element ,
viva la warehouse viva RTS viva mixed genre warehouse illegal parties.
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its like anything really.........


these things become a 'fad' and heaps of people get involved and the whole thing gets saturated.....

take the IT industry for example, 5 years ago it was the degree to do, cos you could get a job anywhere, now look at it. The whole industry is full of equally qualified people who are essentially on waiting lists to get into crap admin jobs. I have a freind in the UK who is experiencing this right now, and it sux because he thought that he was sorted, but so did the billion other people that decided to 'get in there' before anyone else...phort!

dance music is no exception IMO, everyone wants to be a dj, everyone wants their one minute of fame, and its a real shame. I mean take a look at the last ten years, the whole thing was underground and then...BOOM, its the new 'cool'. Suddenly you had these huge events that were like massive concerts and these became the norm. These have to plateau out at some stage.

There is a term used in evolutionary biology (that I cant remember at this point) but it basically states that if you introduce a population of a certain species to an untouched environment they will thrive at an exponential rate until the environment can no longer handle it. This population will start to plateau as it reaches equillibrium with its environment. This is kinda whats happening here methinks......


just me pennies bit

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*If you can read this, you're in range*

I just knew I could count on some great replies from the H-Town/Auck Crew bout dis topic...

From what it looks like The New Generations are not filling the gap of the Old Clubbers.. They are all getting into New Age Rock and Emo Music.. Which I can totally understand due to the Soul they can relate to in that music... and the factor of Superficiality found in the Dance Scene being unattractive....


And nice one cosha...

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There is a term used in evolutionary biology (that I cant remember at this point) but it basically states that if you introduce a population of a certain species to an untouched environment they will thrive at an exponential rate until the environment can no longer handle it. This population will start to plateau as it reaches equilibrium with its environment. This is kinda what’s happening here methinks


For a second I thought you might mean Entropy = A measure of the disorder of a system. Systems tend to go from a state of order (low entropy) to a state of maximum disorder (high entropy).

Or maybe it was the theory of - If infinite rednecks fired infinite shotguns at an infinite number of road signs, they'd eventually create all the great literary works of the world in braille.

And then like me.. You end up joining the Discordian Society.. FNORD!!! *ahem*


But no I know what you are talking about and it's not Entropy. That example of the IT Industry is on point. It describes my exact position as or right now. And I think dance music is just going through the exact same system as all Industry goes through.. Starts in the Underground ---> Goes Commercial ----> Everything becomes Over Hyped as magazines/record companies try to milk as much money out of an Image or Sound as possible -----> The Music becomes Over-Regurgitated and Innovation of Sound Slows ------> Industry starts to Plateau.


This reminds me of a Bad Religion Essay I posted on many forums back in the day… ‘Fast Food and the Music Industry’

I will post it again in Traction for anyone who is interested to read it.

Be warned it's a long read.
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insidiousk

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the club scene is definately drying up along with the seratonin of the punters,,, krd is not the vibrent mecca for subculture it used to be and well the rock and roll a4 black and white poster kids have a lot to answer for.
But We are lucky in NZ as our market is not as huge as the ones in europe etc so I think the death o dance music is a long way off.
However I do think that all of us that are involved in the various scenes should change the ethos of our paticular genres . and focus less on the image and more on the music not the consumer element ,
viva la warehouse viva RTS viva mixed genre warehouse illegal parties.


For sure... I think in the case of Hamilton.. It still has huge potential to be taken in a new direction.. the only real thing that slows Hamilton is the lack of Capitial we have to put the parties on with.

And the fact that it's a constant struggle against the Piss Drinking, Wanna Fight, 'Fuck everything in sight' student mentality that has plagued Hamilton for so long...

Does anyone else wish that the Clubs in the Chlamydia Triangle.. Outback, Loaded Pig, etc would all close and re-open by the University so the Students can all Munt, Fight and Fuck each other away from rest of town?

Hamilton is a cool little town.. The Main Street and the little bars and clubs have so much potential to become a more fun, arty and cultured hybrid than what it is...

Cafes, Small Lounge Bars, A Dance Clubs.. Upstair Bars with live Jazz Bands.. you know.. The potential is so there but is held back.
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Nice Read/Link Mad Kiwi...

Fanx for posting.. I always loved Simon Posfords http://www.twisted.co.uk/ Music and the friendly mentality found at Psy Trance Parties.




And by the way Electrode.. you should be doing more BeakBeat Parties Bruv.. you and Dan.

Hope those Techno Tunes are going down well in your sets too...


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Ha rival those techno tunes are going massive i droped a few with silverbeat and Chaye D and Mr John{from Melbourne} they want them.
Me and Dan have got a few gigs going wev got getto Knights cumin down from Aucks and Obeatcity for the end of year party i think and im playin on friday i think got to talk to nasty.


Tell Bp got all the proidgy albums naw ,just got the jilted generation havent drope it in the club het fuck it all.

the next gig wev got going may be good il play Breakz 10 till 2 then cosha till close.What do u think.

Have u gezer got hold of timmys new album.pritty sick.
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Chlamydia Triangle...........LOL!

talk about hitting nails on the head!

Hey electrode, hows things dude, send me your physical addy on a text and I can mail you a mix cd of mine if ya keen

That sounds superb about those Techno trax dude, get 'em out there, and send to Germany if you have to or UK...or US.... or anywhere really, dont rely on getting your music heard (and paid for in NZ) send your demos to records labels overseas. You wont get much (if any) coin initialy but you'l be as exposed as a K' Rd Hooker (now thats some flesh!)...

what dates that party there electrode?

just reminds me actually (getting back to chlamydia triangle again) we used to take the piss out of the hammy clubs by calling them the opposite of what they were......allow me to explain.

Outback Inn............In Front Out (has hidden meaning really)

Loaded Hog...........Poor Donkey

The Bank..............The dole queue

Liquid Lounge............Solid Kitchen

Monkey Feather...........doesn't need any name changes cos its stupid already!!Smile

Legends.........failures

and so forth, any comical additions would be welcome cos its always good to have a giggle aye?

its the weekend...............................yaybalina
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the valley trough

or the valley-ey for short

and 'pervert'
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Electrode said:
Ha rival those techno tunes are going massive i droped a few with silverbeat and Chaye D and Mr John{from Melbourne} they want them.
Me and Dan have got a few gigs going wev got getto Knights cumin down from Aucks and Obeatcity for the end of year party i think and im playin on friday i think got to talk to nasty.


Tell Bp got all the proidgy albums naw ,just got the jilted generation havent drope it in the club het fuck it all.

the next gig wev got going may be good il play Breakz 10 till 2 then cosha till close.What do u think.

Have u gezer got hold of timmys new album.pritty sick.



Oooor Nice one fulla!!! I will seek out Timmy Album.. We stuck some adverts for it up over er.. Was talk of getting those boys over to Melbourne at some stage.. but it's all ideas at moment.

Glad those tunes are being utilised.. They weren't doing much in my crates in storage aye. Def the right person to be dropping em.

Jilted was Liams best biznis In My Opinion..

Good to see you doing some parties... H-Town could become a Major Breaks Depo.. It just needs some pushin by the right people... Mix it all up in thro in some Techno...

Yar Yar...

Lions: 5, Christians: 0.
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cosha said:
Chlamydia Triangle...........LOL!

Outback Inn............In Front Out (has hidden meaning really)

Loaded Hog...........Poor Donkey

The Bank..............The dole queue

Liquid Lounge............Solid Kitchen

Monkey Feather...........doesn't need any name changes cos its stupid already!!Smile

Legends.........failures

outback inn ................ the milking shed
loaded hog ............... getloadedongrog
the bank ............... the skank
liquid lounge ............. where the fuck is that never heard of it !!
monkey feather ......... like above never fuckin heard of it !!

what the fuck is wrong with this town man its all just gone to shit since i took off overseas or did i just grow up (doubt it !) Mr. Green Very Happy

peace the mad kiwi Wave

cosha: is your name stewart adrian's mate who lived on tramway rd ?? Confused
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yes mad kiwi, my name is Stuart and I used to live with Adrian. Whats your real name.....?


your club names cracked me up bro Music Music
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my name is shaun i knew adrian from that bar course that he did and i lived with natalie for a while after they broke up used to go to your place all the time and blaze a few cones !!!!
you still going out with carly ?
me just came back from ireland a month ago ......... what the fuck happened to this place man ?????
peace the mad kiwi Wave
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Mr.Holden....hows tricks?

ah yeas i remember those days at tramway. Funk things have changed a bit since then, adrian is in wellington as a prison officer dude. He came up and stayed with us a wee while ago which was good as i hadn't seen him in years.

And yes Carly and I are still together, with our dog sabre!. We have just bought our first house out in west auckland (westie) and its great living out there, bogans are all good, at least they can drive in a straight line unlike the peeps in east auckland!

ireland would have been cool thats for sure. Last time I saw you you had a great hoofing beard, its summer now so I hope you attacked it with the razor!!

what you doing now/where you stay/any gf etc???

stu
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bloody hell that was a while ago then yeah im back in h-town now eh ......
done the o.e thing so now ready to get things rolling here with the psy sound and buy a house to
you got a house in aucks that means your now official jaffa bait now ya pharken westie hehehehehheheheheheheeeeee........ what made you migrate north ?
im gonna be up that way next weekend as its labour day on monday so wanna cruise up to whangerei as well, there a psy party in aucks on fri or sat wanna go? should be awesome shit psy is so much phatter now than what it was 5/6 yrs ago its a wonder nz hasnt jumped on it more than what i would of expected but i'll change that hhhhhhmmmmm Mr. Green
whats your number bro will have to catch up some time ?????? Moon


peace the mad kiwi..... Wave Music Mr. Green Very Happy Moon Cool
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Talkin bout club names you cant forgot Groove Inn-the marae in the sky!! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Its all wierd aye.

Evolutionary biology sumed it up very well. And it seems to be happening every where exept for Hamilton.
One of the best cities in the world to launch a career in Music.

The majority of hamiltonians turn a blind eye to it,then you go anywhere else...and your the man! Because youve had to work twice as hard in front of half as many people for much longer.

The nature of Hamilton has givin most of us the modest mentality which keeps it underground here.
If we promoted as shamlessly and Blatantly sold lifestyles to the rich and fat kids here....would it be as bad?....or as good?

Would it change the direction,prefrence or the amount of people,
Would the word ""underground" mean as much to those who shared the common tatse we grew up with in our ears.......,in our eyes........in our memories in our minds.

For me I personally love the small collective that grows and changes every year......(Wish to death some of you were still here)
I like the challenge here,I like the good nights and the WACK.
I like the feeling that we're building something good,providing another option for the other lost sheep.... aye?

If dance music is dying......then what is next......

Has it gone thru its bling bling stage yet? Rock did,Hiphop is.....

Maybe full surround sound,and full surround visuals......like virtual reality having a trip with a cave man ....matrix styles......
another environment we all escape to.......
yelling from the top of my lungs RRRRAAAAVVVVEEEE!!!

from a $5 internet cafe.

Neutral



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laff hinted at some interesting ideas...

i was thinking all the local promotors/clubs etc should be using this forum to its full potential, if some-things happening post header it gig/date/venue and all the details, hype it to buggary in the post, whats on, why the reader should go, what to expect, whos playing etc. most of the regulars here what your talkin bout if u plonk a dj name here, but the general public dont, a newbie sure wont.

On a more than local scale it looks like the hami scene (on biggie anyway) is limited to like two clubs, who have gigs some-times? Hows that gonna convince some-one at home during the week to venture out on the weekend (esp a newbie)

the more people that read this forum the better, surely the only way to attract people to check it out is if its current on whats happening?

isnt the idea to increase your audience, and the audience thats new doesnt know what the heck breakbeat is really, or techno, or dnb some think theres nothing but cheesy uplifting ministry stuff from the ninetys still (and that is dance music)

shamlessly promote it...yes, sell the lifestyle- yes....that is if u want the "newbies" and the energy they bring to the scene, its all good keeping it small, but people move on, get stale, get over it, the drugs dont work, etc....so reel dem Fishy in!!

underground, i dunno what it means, some-one wanna fill me in? (seriously i dont)...keeping it underground, why? how the fuck we gonna get paid that way? i mean come on, what dj enjoys spending his cash on records and struggling to pay bills, what a crap way to live, if that means underground, if underground is a select few know alls dancing in a room, giving the nod to either an old little known "classic" or an "only known to those that know one off white label promo" that was bought with a wink and glinter in the sellers eye cos you sucked a lotta cock to get where u are...then i'll pass on that (an stu thats "ghey" Wink )

small is good for the few, bad for buiseness, ultimately bad overall, unless all the few wanna pay a $50 a week each to keep it that way (if this suits u email me felun@drumnbass.co.nz cos im ready to sell out for the right price Mr. Green

P.S god help those twats that go to the uk for a holiday and come back Uk djs...they is goin to hell
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Felun have you been to.. www.htown.co.nz

Theres a few more people than the traction forum.
And just as pathetic... ....... .yet I love it.



Concord Dawn showed a good example of HAmiltonian menatality.

Next to no promotion on a street level.
Meaning, waikato times,nexus,Buz,Generator & radio none of this.

Pavement,rip it up,Nicky D gave it a shove on sound lab.
A shit load of Flyas and a few posters.

320 through the doors.

Weird.

Underground.Yeah.... woo hoo.

Your only good if your from overseas to new zealanders.

Your only good to Hamiltonians if your from Out of town.
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Biggies not really doing hamilton any favours.

THe main posters in Traction are almost all from Hamilton,and have been
either a dj or a promoter at some stage.
And do come from two clubs.

THere are a few more opening up though.
Sekure etc......Granite......played Alcove a couple of weeks back with Vhari and PJ. It was geat to play to some different people.
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Me and Akomplis are playin sekure this friday cum down and have a drink
with us u gezers
Should be good just laks back and well take u for a ride through breakbeat to breakbeat it doesnt get any better than that.
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highspeeddubing said:
The majority of hamiltonians turn a blind eye to it,then you go anywhere else...and your the man! Because youve had to work twice as hard in front of half as many people for much longer.

For me I personally love the small collective that grows and changes every year......(Wish to death some of you were still here) I wish that I was still there somtimes...insidiousk

I like the challenge here,I like the good nights and the WACK.
I like the feeling that we're building something good,providing another option for the other lost sheep....

Maybe full surround sound,and full surround visuals......like virtual reality having a trip with a cave man ....matrix styles......
another environment we all escape to.......
yelling from the top of my lungs RRRRAAAAVVVVEEEE!!!


damn son couldnt have said it betta my self.... growing up in the tromika FULLY made me hungry and FULLY made me militant with my stratagies on advertisng. (who has seen our advertisning data:bass in aucks?, well yess thats me)

that idea is also the shit i love that interactive spectacle VR psudo psychadelic experience that u suggested wikkid!!!!!
we are kinda starting that at our gigs , me and me kru o vjs (there are 4 of us) work with a 3metere by 2 metre screen, and the responce ! OMG!!! the kids fucking love it, I am a firm beliver in making a party a visual and aural occasion so props to any who do it...

insidiousk and vjmork will b vjing at state o mind at catylyst on nov 29th (breaks).. so come and check it...\
big ups to the tronika! fuck I miss u kids !
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twincam said:
What?

did you smoke crack before you posted that?

Infinitum and bedlam If a post doesn't interest you, don't feel you have to write some nonsensical bullshit. Just just go back to looking at animal porn. Mr. Green



Confused sorry twincam don't know wot the f**k I was on about. Mustta smoked something cos it is bullshit. As a animal/enviroment science student I think anyone who looks at animal porn should be disected like the lab rats we use.

Dance music can't die, it just evolves and moves on like it has done for many years! Music
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Did you know theres a DATA BASS crew in New York?
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werd Bedlam
respect
Smile


HSD: Yeh I just heard about that Databass New York cru the other day and was gonna say sommin too... No doubt you know dis Insidious...

You's can fight over the name when you become international.
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yesss we did know that... (there is actually a few krus round the place called data:bass, trance label included) thats why we are calling our selves 0474:8455.... ha ha ha ! yess I know cheeky eh!
will b in d tron next week for all those interested.. will bring some cd's for those who are keen.... $10 ea,,,, and trrust me they b worth it....
orders?
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So this is where all the intelligent conversation has gone Shocked

The Drum & Bass forum has been sadly devoid of any signs of intelligence for much longer then I care to remember....

Nice post Rival, your threads, if not thought provoking always make for interesting reading mate. I'd add my own 2c but I think I got here towards the tail end of the discussion and everything I'd like to say has pretty much already been said.

Just want to give a shout out to all the H-Town crew and the solid contingent of Kiwis living in Melbourne, big up fellas hope things are well.

Music
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Shaolin said:
So this is where all the intelligent conversation has gone Shocked

The Drum & Bass forum has been sadly devoid of any signs of intelligence for much longer then I care to remember....

Nice post Rival, your threads, if not thought provoking always make for interesting reading mate. I'd add my own 2c but I think I got here towards the tail end of the discussion and everything I'd like to say has pretty much already been said.

Just want to give a shout out to all the H-Town crew and the solid contingent of Kiwis living in Melbourne, big up fellas hope things are well.

Music


Hey Tommy

Fanx for the props..

The odd topic gets the occasional spark from me.. You remmeber the old Dogs On Acid days when the topics were fast and hard.. With everyone posting an interesting perspective... sheesh I use to live for it...

To a certain degree I still love Internet Forums and will always post things that are on my mind.. Knowing my mind.. that would be alwayz and a good reason why not to take acid with me... Laughing

Woa man Too deep man.. Too deep!



But yer since most of the other forums are full of hostile intent and potential militants.. I thought this place should be utilised since no one gives a toss about what the H-Town kids are up to.. he he

But even over here in Melbourne I still find my mind returning to it's New Zealand roots with nothing but good memories of the loving people I have left behind me... Aucks and H-Town especialy...

Too crazy cities... full crazy cool people!

Hope your doing well and enjoying the great drum n bass that comes out occasionaly...

Sheeesh I dropped Barcelona in this club called Pure and the Girls started melting.. continued the pace and had one of the best nights out for a long time - The guy offered me a residency.

Drum N Bass will never die for me.. Even if I am old and people laugh at me being lost in time.. Bass Owns My Soul!

Music
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WERD!!!!!!!
thats the shit!!!!!!!!!
I fully understand wot u b saying there sir!!!! (hats off)

ha ha ha ! I saw phil datsun the other night at one of the greatese trshyest bars on krd (mrluckies) man! it was so good to talk to another hamiltronik who is doing shit, even though he is a postmodern rocker, still he was really positive , he was saying that "hamilton, its a peice o shit (cmon kids we all know this eh), but what sets it apart is that because it is full o munters, it just makes anyone who lives there and does shit want success even more,.. he also reminded me that right now htown is HOT so c'mon kids redirect all that darkness and use all that energy that is built up from ruggers beating u or bouncers harassing u or woteva and rise above and lets add our names to the list o waikato success...

Neil and tim finn
Greg page
The guy who wrote rocky horror
The datsuns
jenny morris
kerry woodham
ricahrd loe (lol)
the fucker who caoches the all blacks
stephen grey
and copius others
any one else?????
viva los hamiltonikas
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weeell

Datsuns =New Zealands best International Rock export...... from Hamilton

Dubious Brothers = New Zealands Best International Hip Hop export......from Hamilton



So you Hami electronic producers bettah step it up a bit.... ya lettin the team down

Mr. Green


and dont forget Katchafire.... with Giddeup being the biggest sellin single in NZ last year..