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Andre Nel: A gentle giant off the pitch, Nel takes white-line fever to pantomime extremes of absurdity with his alter-ego, "Gunther", a madman who lives in the mountains in Germany and suffers from oxygen deprivation. The nickname was bestowed on him a few years ago by one of the South African technical team, and given the snarling and grimacing that marks his average performance, it has unsurprisingly stuck. "Gunther will definitely be coming out - there's no doubt about that," said Nel, as he prepared to take the field in his first Test since the West Indies series in January. South Africa will be without Dale Steyn, but their aggression levels will remain pumped to the max.



http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvrsa/content/current/story/362912.html

How can you not like this guy Laughing

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I've always liked Nel, he cracks me up. Laughing
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Its looking good for the boys Smile 30 run lead and 4 wickets to go. I will be happy if they push that up to about 100 Smile anything more will be good, anything less and I will feel that we didn't take advantage of a good situation. Flintoff is single handedly keeping Eng in this team ...

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blower blower

I got a little worried at points, but smith played brilliantly
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What a fucken captain he is Smile

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Smith is a rock! Top win for the boys Smile
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Pretty emotional I have to say. I have watched pretty much every over of the last 3 Test matches and WOA! Well worth it ...

Had a massive hard time watching the game after AB fell and we still needed 110 to win. But in comes Boucher and really you could not have asked for anyone better. What a fighter he is, once again showing why he is the best keeper in the world.

Greame hitting the last ball for 4 was a fitting end to a stunning innings from him Smile I was stoked and almost cried. Does is get any better? Nope ...

As a note: Bar Kallis with 76 every one in the top 6 scored centuries so in the last 3 Test Wink

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Boucher = Individual who wins matches.

He was the right man to partner Smith to his greatest ever test innings.

Smith won the game for SA. Boucher was the perfect foil.

Boucher has done it to NZ too many times to ignore.

Great win SA.
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What a fighter he is, once again showing why he is the best keeper in the world.




lol dont get so carried away, Youd be lucky if he was 3rd best


While I wanted SA to win the series I wanted England to win this one, would have made the final test more interesting oh well... maybe SA can finally bury their Aussie hoodoo later in the year

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The Maestro said:
... maybe SA can finally bury their Aussie hoodoo later in the year


God knows I've said this before, but I'm quietly confident the boys can pull it off this time.

There seems to be a maturity about this side (epitomised by their brilliant captain) that has maybe been missing in years gone by.

Awesome win. A truly great day for SA cricket

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The Maestro said:


lol dont get so carried away, Youd be lucky if he was 3rd best


Can you name anyone better?

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gummi_bear said:
The Maestro said:
... maybe SA can finally bury their Aussie hoodoo later in the year


God knows I've said this before, but I'm quietly confident the boys can pull it off this time.


I'll be at the Sydney test (unless I decide to go camping in northland)
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Sangakara/Dhoni/McCullum


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that was easy
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Agree with Maestro.

McCullum is FAR superior to Boucher, but the other two are better as well; although Dhoni is perhaps slightly contentious.
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Mccullum? Has he ever done anything that was worth mentioning? Ever won a Test for you guys? Ever been that gutsy player that stuck around for 3 sessions to save a test? NO. He is nothing but a hot head slogger that is good with the glove.

Dhoni? Laughing at the best of times he is shocking with the glove. Halfway into a Test series against SL and dropped nothing less that 4 catches already Neutral THAT is shocking! Great with the bat though, will MAYBE think that he can stick around when needed.

Sangakkara is awesome no doubt, but he is not really SL's keeper now is he Wink Pretty avergae with the glove and for that reason prob why SL decided to bring in a real keeper.

Sorry boys, all round Boucher is your go to guy Smile

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I'll just put this spasm of one eyed stupidness down to the euphoric feeling of your 1st test series win in England for.....ummm awhile, I forget. 30 years?

Dhoni....can "maybe" stick around Laughing

As for McCullum, its early in his career so hes had less opportunities with the bat, but its very obvious that even RIGHT NOW hes a far superior gloveman than Boucher. Anyone who thinks otherwise has the observation skills of a Cyclops
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Have you guys ever won a test series in Eng? Actually have you ever won a Test series against anyone Laughing prob the blind school.

You can keep your one eye comments to yourself cause that is obviously your problem here. Ask anyone that thinks they know cricket who they would rather have Boucher or McCullum in a Test team and Im pretty sure you will only have kiwis picking McCullum.

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Yes we've won a test series in England....go ahead and expose your cluelessness why dont you Smile
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The Maestro said:
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Sangakara/Dhoni/McCullum


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that was easy


not-a-keeper/lol/super.lol
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You saffa cunts crack me up Laughing Laughing Laughing
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The Maestro said:
Yes we've won a test series in England....go ahead and expose your cluelessness why dont you Smile


when?
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nevermind, 1986 and 99
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gummi_bear said:
You saffa cunts crack me up Laughing Laughing Laughing


Laughing Easiest way to rark Maestro up Smile Just mention that there might be a South African out there that is good at something Wink pushing his buttons ... ez pz!

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On a moe series note: Smith claims his second England captain scalp Smile

http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvrsa/content/current/story/363527.html

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Someones gotta keep you filthy yaya's in line around here! Otherwise you'll run riot! Mad
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On a moe series note: Smith claims his second England captain scalp Smile

http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvrsa/content/current/story/363527.html

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Hmmm, interesting that the article says KP is favourite to take over as captain in both forms of the game.

I have no doubt that if it happens, his batting is going to suffer.

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In all honesty though, you can't tell me that you would rather have McCullum in your Test side than Boucher.

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gummi_bear said:

Hmmm, interesting that the article says KP is favourite to take over as captain in both forms of the game.

I have no doubt that if it happens, his batting is going to suffer.

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Yeah mate, most forums I post in with some very knowlageable guys recon exactly the same thing. It will be a shame because that guy is set for greatness ... Laughing

We need like a sarcasim emoticon!

Cook is the other option for them. If not anyone from the current side they are hoping for one of the County captains and pull the same thing SA did when dumping Pollock.

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*Re-Action* ...its sooooo transperant how you try to turn arguements around when you realise you are beat


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What a fighter he is, once again showing why he is the best keeper in the world.




Is not even remotely the same as

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In all honesty though, you can't tell me that you would rather have McCullum in your Test side than Boucher.

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For the record I think it would be a very close call which player I would rather have in my side, the final decision would depend on many external factors. Such as which part of their career we are talking about (McCullum WILL be viewed as the better batsman come career end), who the opposition is, who the bowling attack is


Boucher has one of the easiest jobs with the gloves in world cricket....its pretty elementary to get into a catching zone when you have no quality spinner and the ball tends to come through at exactly the same height and pace all day


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Once again showing your complete lack of knowlage when it comes to the South African pace attack. What an idiot.

I will stop this arguement right now, its like arguing with a mental retard.

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Oh how I love the *Re-Action*/Maestro sporting debates. Laughing
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mate...you should see the MSN's Laughing
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Laughing some of them are just insane! You would think we hate each other.
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It's the beauty of sports as far as I'm concerned. Nobodies ever wrong and opinions vary wildly and it's best discussed over a beer or three. Smile




I was thinking of entering an opinion on the Boucher/McCullum debate but jesus... How do you decide? Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I think right now you have to lean towards Boucher but in a few years time who knows? I think the best thing about McCullum is that he is getting better and better. Compare his stats of 3 years ago with those now!

Boucher has been a rock in South African cricket for ages now tho, what is he? First pick for the team behind the captain?
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The Maestro said:


Boucher has one of the easiest jobs with the gloves in world cricket....its pretty elementary to get into a catching zone when you have no quality spinner and the ball tends to come through at exactly the same height and pace all day


yup, and NZ has a quality spinner?

don't even start on vetorri
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I know you're probably taking the piss Neil, but SA haven't had a decent spinner since, um, Hugh Tayfield?

NEver in my lifetime, that's for sure.

We would fucking kill for a Daniel Vettori :/
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Indeed, but for Maestro to suggest that its hard to McCullum to keep when Vettori is bowling is laughable.

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I'll sidestep the spinner thing and just say that it's a bit harsh to comment negatively on McCullums overall glovework though. He has very quick hands and is pretty nimble, he's pulled off some stunning leaping takes.

Not taking anything away from Boucher, just purely commenting on McCullum here.
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ANYWAYS.....



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picture lol





And again for effect. Very Happy


http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvrsa/content/current/story/363527.html


Funny that him and Collingwood stepped down on the same day...
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dalai said:
I'll sidestep the spinner thing and just say that it's a bit harsh to comment negatively on McCullums overall glovework though. He has very quick hands and is pretty nimble, he's pulled off some stunning leaping takes.

Not taking anything away from Boucher, just purely commenting on McCullum here.


I certainly never argued the quality of his glove work Smile

That pic is awesome. Also a great one of Smith and Boucher hugging each other in one of the local papers.

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Ha ha Yeah, I can well imagine that a picture of Smith and Boucher hugging is.....ummmmm "great" Laughing


Jeebers *Re-Action*... I just had a trawl through our MSN logs and there is some pretty brutal stuff in there! I nearly posted some.... but I didnt wanna scare the kiddies Cool
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The Maestro said:
Ha ha Yeah, I can well imagine that a picture of Smith and Boucher hugging is.....ummmmm "great" Laughing


Jeebers *Re-Action*... I just had a trawl through our MSN logs and there is some pretty brutal stuff in there! I nearly posted some.... but I didnt wanna scare the kiddies Cool


The experession on their faces is priceless Smile

And yes the logs is hillarious ... some excellent trolling most of the time Very Happy

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Indeed, but for Maestro to suggest that its hard to McCullum to keep when Vettori is bowling is laughable.

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Yeah, I wasn't really dissing danny, but he's a finger spinner. It's not like it's warne or something.
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South Africa's best (top 3 anyway) now captains England.

heh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/7540228.stm

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What do you guys think, is KP gonna be a Ponting: take the captaincy and succeed and become an significantly better player because of it? Or the next Brian Lara: take the captaincy, and generally suck from there on?

btw lol Vaughan, you've finally stopped riding on the coat-tails of your fluke Ashes win in 2005, bye!
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Also a very unlucky guy. The Ashes was no fluke mate Wink England was a good team and there is no doubt about it.

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Vaughan's captaincy timeline

July 2003 - Named England captain for the second Test against South Africa at Lord's after Nasser Hussain steps down
August 2003 - Secures first Test win as captain, by 70 runs at Trent Bridge
August 2003 - England level the series against South Africa with a nine-wicket win at The Oval
March 2004 - Leads England to their first series win in West Indies since 1967-68
May-August 2004 - England win all seven Tests in the summer against New Zealand and West Indies
January 2005 - A draw at Centurion Park gives England a series victory in South Africa for the first time since 1965
September 2005 - England regain the Ashes after 16 years with a draw at The Oval
February 2006 - Breaks down with a knee injury at the start of tour of India. Doesn't play again for nearly a year
May 2007 - Makes Test comeback with a century at Headingley against West Indies
June 2007 - Resigns one-day captaincy
August 2007 - Loses his first home series as captain, going down 1-0 to India
March 2008 - Drops Matthew Hoggard and Steve Harmison after Hamilton defeat against New Zealand
August 2008 - Resigns as Test captain following five-wicket loss against South Africa at Edgbaston



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Okay fair call, that's pretty impressive. Also his half-century/century conversion ratio in tests is worth note. (18 centuries, 18 half-centuries, from 147 innings however)
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Yeah the conversion is good and a sign of a good mental player but from 147 innings Neutral not good.

Also to note Smith have no almost rarked up 1500 runs for the last year and can well hit that mark in the next Test Smile

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neil_armstrong said:
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Indeed, but for Maestro to suggest that its hard to McCullum to keep when Vettori is bowling is laughable.

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Yeah, I wasn't really dissing danny, but he's a finger spinner. It's not like it's warne or something.


I didnt say that at_all clowns, What i actaully suggested was that its harder work on a keeper who has a spinner in his side, than one who has 4 meduim fast guys all trundling it through at the more or less the same pace (barring maybe one guy whose got an extra 10 kmhr, namely Donald or Steyn)
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The Maestro said:


I didnt say that at_all clowns, What i actaully suggested was that its harder work on a keeper who has a spinner in his side, than one who has 4 meduim fast guys all trundling it through at the more or less the same pace (barring maybe one guy whose got an extra 10 kmhr, namely Donald or Steyn)


jeez maestro. open the other eye
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neil. Youve never wicketkept in your life have you, I havent forgotten the cricket net when you showed up and refused to even turn your arm over buddy Razz

I kept for kin-years and standing up to spinners, any spinner.. is the hardest part of it. You are often unsighted, have less time and the ball deviates (obviously)

Not only that but McCullum has often had to stand up to NZ's stunning array of dibbly dooblers when they were getting pasted. VS Boucher....who who gets to stand back all fuggin day! If you cant get your head around which job is tougher I suggest YOU open the other eye

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The Maestro said:
VS Boucher....who who gets to stand back all fuggin day! If you cant get your head around which job is tougher I suggest YOU open the other eye

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If you want to talk shit about the SA team then this is not the place. I have seen Boucher standup to both Kallis and Pollock before he retired. Your arguement is lacking substance.

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In tests? We are talking test cricket right

Even if he did...... that is once in a while/as a tactic, and you are conveniently avoiding acknowledging that keeping to a bowling line up with extreme variations in pace AND at least one spinner is tougher than keeping to one where its ALL 130 kmhr-145

Please address this point ^^
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Boucher stood up to Kallis in the last Test when KP kept walking down the track. Nothing new either ... Boucher use to stand up to Pollock as well.

McCullum's job is by no means harder than Bouchers. NZ's as you rightly pointed out have nothing but a bunch of dibbly's bowling same line and lenght with no variasion and nothing over 140Km if they are lucky. Did you even watch the last SA test? Morkel, Nel and Ntini are 3 compelete differenant bowlers in speed, line and lenght.

McCullums job would be harder when he needs to keep to Vettori yes, but mate its nothing to get excited about.

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Well thats all the difference it takes

So all things being even less Vettori, their jobs are probably similair in difficulty. But since Vettori plays nearly every test and bowls a shit load then his job = harder

arguement closed Smile
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Laughing You moron.

BTW: CricketN stat spider shows that McCullum drops 1.8 catches per Test where Boucher only does .9 Wink suck that one down.

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BTW: CricketN stat spider shows that McCullum drops 1.8 catches per Test where Boucher only does .9 Wink suck that one down.


pwnt!

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The Maestro said:

its pretty elementary to get into a catching zone when you have no quality spinner and the ball tends to come through at exactly the same height and pace all day



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The Maestro said:
The Maestro said:

its pretty elementary to get into a catching zone when you have no quality spinner and the ball tends to come through at exactly the same height and pace all day



Smile


Gilchrist spider stat showed that he dropped 1.2 catches per test and you will find most of that came towards the end of his career Wink So now ... I wonder, would it be harder to keep to Warne or Vettori?

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Warne. Obviously. and I dont deny McCullum has a tendancy to grass a few

Still doent change the fact


A-McCullum has a harder job keeping with Vettori in the side than Boucher does to his mostly one dimensional attack

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B WHAT STARTED ALL THIS. Boucher is NOT the worlds best keeper, not even close
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And that is BULLSHIT! Because right now I if I have to pick a keeper it would be him no doubt.

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I have asked statguru to work out McCullums percentage of dropped catched standing up when Vettori is bowling. I bet you he drops more catches when his quickies are bowling making your arguement null n void!

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Dont bother, I dont trust your wanky and utterly selective stats. wtf is spider anyway

McCullum also drops more cos he is more athleticand gets to catches Boucher just watches whiff on by, and he hardly ever moves across his slips. I can barely remember one brilliant one handed catch Boucher has made, unlike McCullum

And if you would pick Boucher over Dhoni in your line up then that just shows how one eyed you are. You are basically picking Boucher because he just scored 45 not out to beat a team you despise. Hardly objective
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Sif you ever watch any sport dude, you just like to comment on things you know nothing about. Just like Dhoni comment when I clearly pointed out that he is a shit keeper Neutral

I'll leave it at that. Consider yourself OWNED!

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ummm yeah, but hes a brilliant batsman? And you are finally right about something, this arguement is tired

Consider YOURSELF owned
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Brilliant? Mate the average between Boucher/McCullum and Dhoni is only a few runs. Don't start that bullshit ... nothing brilliant about his batting. In a dog fight I would back Boucher miles ahead over the other two. Boucher = KNOWN for being a guy that can stick around with a cool head on him.

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McCullum also drops more cos he is more athleticand gets to catches Boucher just watches whiff on by, and he hardly ever moves across his slips. I can barely remember one brilliant one handed catch Boucher has made, unlike McCullum


you obviously don't spend any time watching south africa play cricket.
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We figured that out years ago when he tried to comment on NRL games he didn't watch.

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ok Mr "Brett Webb is so awesome and omg McKinnon is going to be shit"

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, your sports observation skills are far too clouded by emotion to be respected


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*yawn* you have the same arguement every time *yawn* you are putting us all to sleep!

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TIMBEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!
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collaaaaaaapse.
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Brilliant? Mate the average between Boucher/McCullum and Dhoni is only a few runs. Don't start that bullshit ... nothing brilliant about his batting. In a dog fight I would back Boucher miles ahead over the other two. Boucher = KNOWN for being a guy that can stick around with a cool head on him.


boucher has stickability... but if McCullum develops half of boucher's ability to stick around, he will be ten times the batsman... there is a pretty decent chance McCullum will be remembered as one of the greats, not just of NZ cricket but world cricket by the end of his career... or at least there would be if he had some othere players to bat with, which seems pretty unlikely
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Laughing SA batting 180deg turn on the other Tests. Playing shots they dont have to and just no concentration. I dont think its that they dont care if they win or loose, I think they are mentally just way to relaxed now.

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Why can I not stop laughing at this pic? Laughing Laughing Laughing



Could well do with some thought bubbles above each dude's head :>
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dead rubber....cant blame the saffas for not being 100% into it

There is some serious body language reading to be done in that pic thats why Laughing Pieterson is manipulating his height to the max with the angle he is offering his handshake, while Smith clearly hates him ....and appears to be dreaming of unleasing a left hook Laughing
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Laughing Those two have just become arch enemies. This is gonna be awesome!

On a separate note....shit batting from the Proteas. Poor temperament on their behalf.
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lets just recap

19 - 0 at home to NZ
27 - 15 at home to Aus
1 silver medal for a country of 48 million people
bowled out for 83 in 23 overs

did I miss anything?
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heresy said:
lets just recap

19 - 0 at home to NZ
27 - 15 at home to Aus
1 silver medal for a country of 48 million people
bowled out for 83 in 23 overs

did I miss anything?


LOL

What a shit time to be a Saffer huh......
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Why? We still have the Rugby World Cup at home and just won a Test series IN England.

Life is grooovy Smile

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LOL at the lack of activity in this thread.