Copyright infringement notices starting

From midnight tonight, any downloading that is tracked by the MPAA or RIAA through peer to peer networks is recorded. Expect to receive infringement notices on the 1st of September if you get caught :>

I imagine that this will only affect "lite" downloaders who grab the occasional movie, those who are more experienced with the net wont even notice anything has changed.

please when discussing this issue use the proper organisation names - we DON'T live in the USA

for those concerned about their web habits check http://3strikes.net.nz/

amusing to see todays questions in parliament where our lawmakers show just how unconnected to 'our' world they are

"I have no idea what [Netflix] is." —Simon Power, Minister of Commerce

Why?

they've actually come out and said in several news pieces that its the casual user that will be targeted - deterrence

focus on recent movie (hollywood) releases and the like - I assume this is to do with the sheer volume of files traded and the method used to 'catch' infringers

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10741800

via twitter earlier today

Because the latter take better precautions, use different, often private services that the copyright narks don't have access to.

So whats the diff between using a torrent and d/ling from somewhere like mediafire? Because it says using sites like mediafire will not be included in the new law.

"InternetNZ Chief Executive Vikram Kumar says, “What this means is that watching videos on YouTube or via blinkx, streaming music from Grooveshark, and downloading from online file lockers like MediaFire and 4shared will not be subject to the changes introduced by the amendments to the law coming into force on 1 September 2011. MED’s confirmation addresses some of the questions that arose when we were looking at the law changes in detail”.

...and what if I d/l Beethoven? who can own copyright to something where it was never recorded.

Mediafire isn't P2P, and the law only allows for P2P yeah?

mediafire, rapidshare et al all have policies to take down copywrite material as soon as a right holder requests it

also as they are direct download sites your activity cannot (I assume) be tracked using the methods employed by p2p networks

If it's not recorded how are you downloading it?

Oh ok.

Got any tips?

Yeah I get that, but it also says "downloading and uploading anything with a copyright"
Whats the diff between p2p and file lockers. I understand the mechanics, but isnt it the same thing?

“File sharing” is defined by the new law as:

- Material uploaded or downloaded from the Internet (AND)

- Using an application or network that enables the simultaneous sharing of material between multiple users.

via twitter

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/05/netflix-traffic/

Funny how our ISP has just given us FREE 60GB extra a month right before this law

Nah.

"File locker"/"file hosting" type sites work like this:
1: Uploader uploads a file to the server.
2: Uploader publishes link to file.
3: Downloaders download the file from the single server.

P2P (peer-to-peer) works like this: (I'll use Bittorrent as an example)
1: Uploader shares file, uploads a .torrent file to a tracker site. .torrent file contains details of how to connect to the tracker and details about the file to be shared. Uploader is called a "seeder" because they are seeding the file. We'll call him Seeder1.
2: Downloader1 visits the tracker, downloads the .torrent file. His software looks at the details and then connects to the seeder and starts downloading the file. As Downloader1 obtains more and more bits of the file, his software starts sharing those bits, therefore becoming Seeder2.
3: Downloader2 visits the tracker, downloads the .torrent file. His software looks at the details and then connects to both Seeder1 and Seeder2 and starts downloading the file. He then becomes Seeder3.

Rinse and repeat many many times over. In downloading a file via bittorrent, no one central source hosts any of the file, it's totally distributed over all the users who downloaded it.


Is it the same thing? Yes and no.Yes, it's all copyright infringement somewhere along the line, just in the first example only the file host server is distributing copyright materiel, in the P2P example, EVERYONE is distributing copyright materiel. That used to be an important distinction because rights holders generally only went after the distributors, but now they go after everyone.

The other difference is: monitoring P2P is "easy". There are companies that infiltrate and monitor the P2P networks on behalf of the rights holders, and it's VERY easy to see who's uploading and downloading - they look at the Ip addresses active on the file, and send an infringement notice to the ISP.

With file hosting services, all they can do is send a cease and desist to the host when they find an infringing file being hosted. They cannot see the IP records of who downloaded the file without messy and expensive court orders.

Rent a server in a friendly jurisdiction, do all your downloading on that remote sever, download it from that server to your home over a secure VPN connection. Cost: 20 euros/USD and up per month.

our flat already got a warning email ... think it was on Monday.

From your ISP?

If it was before the 11 Aug then it isn't part of the new law I don't think.

This law has the reverse effect on me. I now do not want to buy any movies or TV shows. I haven't downloaded a thing for a long time partly due to no time to watch it anyway and partly due to moral reasons (though really, it's just convenient to be moral when you cbf anyway) but now... I want to make a point of the revenue not increasing by a cent and hopefully decreasing.

start simple,

D/L a blocking program for free like peer block before you get a warning. (make sure your flatties use it too!)

then look at using a private proxy if they track you after that. Otherwise I wouldn't be too concerned.

yip from ISP... was an email forwarded from the movie maker or something... wasn't for downloading, but for other people getting it from our systems i think.
internet usage shall be changing now!


i do really find it weird though that ISP's offer such large download capabilities.

How the fook am I going to get Jersey Shore now I can't be assed being all sneaky about it.

Or just download through usenet I've been using it for a little over a month now, it's awesome. Wayyyyy faster than torrents, completely private/secure (using SSL and/or VPN). Costs me $15/mo but there are cheaper options.

Why? Plenty of legal ways of blowing piles of bandwidth.

Just use one-click d/load sites like rapidshare/megaupload etc. -- easy as piss

Sure, that too. My initial post is my default stock standard response to the fucking piles of people asking me what they can do.

Note that the speed difference is purely down to if your ISP manages P2P traffic or not. If it does, Usenet will likely be faster.

Hmm, can someone explain this Usenet bizzo to me? I was going to get a seedbox, but this could also be an option?

Does peer-block actually work?

Won't the tracker send your IP to other peers even if you refuse to talk to them?

Or is it just working on the bear principle?

Also -> wow just looked and they block 1/4 of the internet. WTF?

This thread should be open and is a good primer:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3409898

urhgnghgh. Need coffee

So you rent a VPN server to terminate at somewhere?[/quote]

I don't buy it myself, but the basic theory is kinda sound - it just totally collapses in the real world. The basic idea is block the IP's of known anti-piracy outfits, so if they can't connect to you and download a piece of whatever you're sharing, they can collect no evidence against you.

Falls apart in the same manner and blacklist does, it needs to be maintained, and keep up with constantly changing laws.

Some of the usenet providers offer VPN connectivity to their servers. I don't see much point myself at this time.

The other thing is there are plenty of VPN providers out there simply providing transit a suitable geographic location, i.e. give you a US IP so you can rock Netflix/Hulu, UK for BBC iPlayer etc.

Also, as I said the tracker can snitch you out.

It's not like they actually need solid evidence -> shit never goes to court!

OK so if i sign up to usenet or something like that, you would be insane to use your credit card, right? Paypal the way to go?

Most use 3rd party payment gateways, so it's no more or less dangerous than any other online purchase.

Even if ISP doesn't shape p2p traffic, isn't usenet going to be faster anyway given you're downloading everything from a single beefy commercial server instead of grabbing little bits from heaps of people?

And in answer to jbs, ^^^ this. Giganews (my usenet provider) comes with a VPN and 256bit SSL, so nobody (even my ISP) can know what I'm downloading (apparently, that's Giganews' claim).

A lot of the VPN providers I've seen say in their t&c's that they don't allow p2p, and will terminate if they catch you etc etc. I'm sure there's others out there though.

Not quite cut and dry like that.

- Those little bits and pieces add up big time - witness how your download speed will accelerate as more and more seeders join the swarm.
- If you're using decent private trackers, a large number of users have either beefy home connections, or are using seedboxes hosted on commercial servers in commercial data centres. Public trackers have a lot less of those types of users. Some big private trackers even run their own seedboxes purely to contribute more seeds.
- The speed you get from a usenet provider is dependant on the pipe between you and them. P2P clients generally favour the beefier connections first, and because it's "Crowdsourcing" the data, you haven't got a single point of failure.
- Obviously, a poorly seeded torrent is going to be slow, and of course there is a small amount of IP overhead in all those smaller connections that Usenet doesn't suffer from.

But all things being equal, I get identical speeds on BT and Usenet. Sometimes Usenet is slightly faster, but that's the overhead thing.

Standard VPN providers sure, but in the example we're talking about, it's the Usenet provider themselves providing the service.

Another question: anyone got any private tracker invites? :>

Is Demonoid still a private tracker? I have some invites for there I think...

Nah Demonoid is public. It's also been a bit shit lately.

Cool, thanks guys.. i'll look into these options.

http://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/jej4o/im_officially_downloading_copyrighted_material_on/
awesome.

Hmm, I must be getting pwned by shaping on torrents then heh :/ Usually maxes out around 700-800k/s, but on usenet it gets up to 2.2 - 2.3 MB/s fairly quickly and hangs about there.

So I went the usenet route. Blocknews.net let you purchase blocks of bandwidth for a decent price and with free SSL.

Forgot how awesome Usenet was actually

Ya it's awesome Found so much stuff on there I'd been looking out for on torrents for years.

so was discussing how they are gonna distribute these... because most people don't even use their @isp.x.nz email address, and i'll assume that's where they will send it

Pretty sure it would be a letter though, right?

http://3strikes.net.nz/information/faqs

Jesus Christ dude. THINK.

There's a number of people within telecom who have "online" bills but are not subscribed to the service

http://www.nzcopyright.org/1/post/2011/08/the-copyright-amendment-act-how-copyright-holders-can-get-you-to-three-strikes-sooner.html

OK, you've clearly found the magic loophole. Clever!

living life off the grid

badarse

This looks like what I'll do as well...

Do TV shows get on there soon after they've aired?

Very quickly.

Ya, they're on usenet before torrents

what usenet search sites are people using btw? I ended up buying ($20 one-time fee, lifetime license) Newsbin Pro to actually download the files, and tried using the search thing within that (as well as MiMo, a giganews' created browser thing) but found it a bit hard to use..

So now I've gone the indexing site route and using binsearch.info which isn't the prettiest thing, but works fine. I'm still a usenet n00b though so dunno if there are better ways. I still don't really get how the whole "par" thing works and I feel like I'm flying blind a bit with regards to which files are going to be bogus (easy to pick on TPB cause there's comments) but I've found if I stick to the ones marked as 'collection' they tend to be more reliable

I've also signed up for the usenet steez. Downloaded an HD copy of Taxi Driver last night. I'm incredibly impressed with the stuff I'm finding on there. Especially witrh older classic films that I could never find on the torrents.

Good time to increase the old data cap. :>

hmm..hopefully my flatmates don't download stuff they shouldn't....might have to learn how to block their internet access if they do!! (i'm the account holder...)

you could try doing it via your router coddy old boy

remember if they have already infringed 3 times it's too late dude :>

I'm using http://sabnzbd.org/ as the downloader (open source) and nzb.su (free registration) for the indexer. Finding both great so far.

Oh, also installed Sick Beard tonight to run as a PVR. Will basically grab all the TV shows I set it up to, automatically. Fuck you MySkyHDi!

Exact same I'm using. nzb.su is really easy to browse and search. Found so much awesome, I'm thinking about doubling my cap fir this month already heh.

people will be protesting on Saturday in all the major centres against this law amendment:

Auckland: 12:00pm in Aotea Square
Wellington: 12:00pm at Parliament
Christchurch: 12:00pm at Ilam fields, marching to Hagley Park


Dunedin: 12:00pm in The Octagon

bit late innit?

Would have been better to do it back BEFORE the law was passed yes. Not that it would have made any difference as it was basically already bought and paid for anyway.

they've amended it before and can do again - its a bad piece of legislation

be a lame person like me and hire it from the DVD store...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DVD stores still exist?

DVD stores don't have this weeks episode :>

Some people still appreciate the tactile nature of physical media ; )

If only you knew how much pain is involved in getting just one title onto Itunes!

There'll always be freaks in society bro :>

encode
sort metadata
upload

await it to go live

its fucking easy

*never done movies

lulz, yeah best you don't pull that around here where there's several people very aware of the details of the process

I'll always appreciate vinyl because there's a history and a kitchness to it unmatched by any other music formate since. But dvd's? They have a history of what... 10 years? There's nothing remarkable about a disc, there's no mystery or mystique to them... It's just a disc. It doesn't mean anything to me. Maybe if you owned a 35mm print of a film I'd be impressed but I'm sick of having formats change every decade. I've learned to let go...

Only pity is that a virtual library isn't as easy to show off in your home.

virtual libraries don't show off your bad taste, your stupid purchases or your penchant for shelving units

there be mystery in a external drive...

or at least thats what I told her as she slipped off her teletubies T shirt

Although I still like the look of my bluray collection in my room; I'll happily switch to digital media one day, but right now they're not comparable imo. It's nearly impossible to find downloadable movies in true bluray quality with all the extras. And even if I could, they'd probably be a good 30gb each so I'd have to be buying new hard drives like every couple of months.

there is that which one desires to own (collect) and that which one merely consumes

Well when I buy a bluray, I get to keep it. So if we're comparing the two formats, obviously we should be comparing to me keeping it in digital form too. I never delete anything at all

I keep most things too - I be a hoarder (collector) by nature...

but there is objects (physical and digital) I cherish and a shitload of stuff I just have

haha no I will always <3 DVD's in their physical form.. I worked in the DVD industry for like 5 years and even back in the day when VHS was still around and I had to go and pick them up in the big work van... . so I will be one of those plebs who buys DVD's and has a collection of them.. a ridiculous collection.. Just like some people have a room full of vinyl.. which I think is awesome

I will never download anything illegally as I've seen the affect of it personally and the blood sweat and tears I put into arranging some local DVD's to get in stores will always be with me..

DL actually infuriates me so I shall go now.

Yes but you got paid for those blood, sweat and tears.. it was just a job. It's not like you were doing it for the love of DVD's and the need for people to buy DVD's.

I work in the television and film industry and i don't give a shit about people downloading

huh?

a room of vinyl is awesome
a room of CDs is sad

its a plastic thing

lol, this is one of the reasons people download!

I lost my business... my lifes savings and a chunk of my mind... and could easily blame downloading (or more accurately cd burners) but fuck that

haha well I was overexaggerating a bit for dramatic purpose no tears really.. but yeah I worked hard to get stuff into stores n stuff. you are all going to go to jail for DL anyway

Duuuuude.

Vinyl is plastic.

Technically.

technically awesome and sad are both words and means of expressing emotion

Speak for yourself Mr Daktari.