boiler room opinions?

the australian stage manager couldnt believe that there was deep house and drum and bass being played in the boiler room at peak times and that a trance dj was on 1st. 10,000 people with tons of energy in the dance tent and the predominant age was 15-19. do you think that there should have been more trance/hardhouse djs playing? and should they play at a better time??

maybe im biased

no your not biased sam, i thought it was a bit wrong when i walked in and your set was finishing, there was alot people not dancing to the drum n bass, way to fast for me. i would've loved some hardhouse although i did get right into the house, but yet again the majority of the people in there were clueless.

ill probably get knocked for this but when events like two tribes, gatecrasher etc sell out well in advance with 5000 people while djs like goldie pull 300 people then explain how only one trance/hardhouse dj is involved in the opening set while about 4 drum n bass djs are on the line up in peak times.
i have nothing against the genre and actually thought concorde dawn was one of the sets of the day but when you watch the crowd from on the stage people are just looking and not really dancing.

Even though I didn't go to the BDO I agree with what you're saying Sam... I think that the event is big enough to separate the dance zones. Dance is so huge now that people are going just for the Boiler Room so the names that headline are important to the punters. Maybe any good trance/hardhouse internationals are too expensive/wouldn't tour with the BDO?

I think in the coming years they will have to increase the size of the dance section of the BDO and maybe start catering for more tastes.. I mean they can't have anything against cheese because they've had Blink-182 more than once!

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for what they paid dave clarke and kosheen they could have got armin van buuren, paul van dyk, roger sanchez and tiesto but because the wrong people are picking the acts theres a problem.

More drum n bass for the masses!!! Convert them to the darkside early my jedi knights!!

hehehehe

You played an awesome set Sam - Brad and I were pulling faces at you but you didn't see

yeah, i got in early for your set sam, it was great.!
I know me and my mates were a little disapointed there was no more trance or HH for the day. and there was only 30 minutes of it!
Still the boiler room was packed at the end for Bassment jaxx, which went off big time !!1

yeah would of been better with a little less drum and bass and a little more trance. but ur set rocked wish it was longer.

Next year they should either plan different sections, not sure if thats possible in the boiler room though. Or start the day off with a little drum n bass then build it with some trance and finish the evening off with some lovely hard house.

People dont have to be dancing to appreciate the music. Also surely the dance scene is large enough to handle its own "big day out" type event with only dance acts with heaps of zones dedicated to there respetive genre's. With a few huge chill out zone's etc. Then you wouldnt have to put up with the punks and the metalheads. haha

I thought the lineup at the Boiler Room was fuken awesome-It was a good mix of all different genres of dance music which gave it some diversity.

I found it a bit random tho walking into the tent at about 11:30 hearing Sam's banging trance set in the morning but it seemed to get people amping for the rest of the day.

What should have happened was a trance/hardhouse dj should have played after Basement Jaxx to rap the night up.

man, I would really have luved to have seen ore trance there aye!!! I thought they went a bit o.t.t with the dnb and dub and stuff in there, however B jaxx still made my day!!!! Crystal method played an amazing set too. Sammy u have to get on to them about that cos the trance aspect was really lacking (except for your amazing set)

Bah... bah... bah *explains a lot*

if your a sheep!

i have no problems with the genres themselves but just think that certain genres are better suited to huge crowds.... hardhouse/trance is perfectly suited to a 10000 people event whereas deep house and dub are more suited to something smaller and more intimate

glad i didnt make it now !

i was still recovering from last years BDO anyway

OH NO A BIG EVENT THAT ISNT 100% CHEEZY BOLLOX

people dont go to gatecrasher/god's kitchen/slinky cos they considered all genres and decided they like hardhouse best.. they go cos its well marketed and all their mates are going

if the gatecrasher/gk/slinky headliners played fubar with promotion focusing on their djs names not a superclub brand then theyd get 300 people along too

on the other hand if 2tribes came out this year headlined by andyc, hype, marky, randall and the rider itd still get 5000+ people and 90% of them wouldnt even notice the difference

bigup the big day out.. kosheen played the best set of the night anyway by all accounts..

and d&b has no trouble rocking the biggest raves around.. AWOL in uk with 12,000 people, ONE NATION & SLAMMIN VINYL, true playaz/hardware/ram clubnights at fabric (london's best club) consistently getting 2000+ punters and 3 hour queues round the block, as well as the big outdoor gigs like gatecrasher global sound system in UK with 5 or six half full house + trance zones and the d&b tent ram jam all day and night

events like BDO are a perfect opportunity to give people a look into a broader range of music..

after all brace yourselves kiddies 2002 is gonna be the year of d&b watch out sam for shyfx - shake it .. already all over radio1 & out on positiva in a couple of months guaranteed top of the pops bizness

hardhouse has sucked ass for way too long

kosheen were great....Dave Clarke was dissapointing
IMHO

Definately too much drum & base, everywhere I went there was a d & b undertone. Did more poor wee head in. I find it depressing/anti-social & it makes people dance like insects!

hardhouse is faster than d n b. period.

hardhouse peaks at about 160bpm .. modern d&b starts at 170bpm and in US heads up to 200-210bpm

pluto u r a lightweight. fix up

"People dance like insects"

Lol!

Listen to Toasted, he be wise yes yes..

...and how about the security doing a fine job on the barriers aye...

Anyone see the cute guy who started working the barrier halfway throught the Basement Jaxx set?

i agree there was a little too much DnB, not that I didn't enjoy what was on offer, I think at least 1 more trance/HH dj should have played later. I agree with toasted the DnB was way faster than anything else...

The Dub sholdn't have been in the boiler... The music was generally fine, the heat was something else tho... Boiler Room was the right name.

Toasted - dnB is better cos its faster? LOL!

Shucks, I hope thats not your philosophy on sex too!

And natually oh Toasted one, you are right, I probably do need to 'fix up' to enjoy it.

:ppppp

Can't really complain about the music i mean anyonegoing to the BDO for a full on dance is delluding themselves... I'm sure half the people during Basement Jax were moshing.

Basement Jaxx were better the time before I reckon.

Pluto were good - oh golly! Thats my name! Wow!

i'm sorry... but there will never be a year that will be the year of d&b... get a grip... for the most part the d&b kids that i know really enjoy the fact that their scene is small, they think it makes them elite and cool... sound familiar?

why don't people think logically...

things are popular for a reason, and to a certain extent it is marketing and or branding, but what is most important is their is a product behind the marketing that people want to see

perhaps i'm biase too sam, but i think that the biggest names should be at the end, Basement Jaxx were cool (despite not mixing?@!$@#^$^*) and that trance and HH should have featured a lot more heavily

as for thinking that people only go to parties for the brand... i really isn't that true

paul oakenfold? no brand and filled the aotea centre with screaming fans... even though he fucked out and let the mighty tiesto lift the roof

and this is becoming nore evident, for example... the last GC didn't sell out, thats what happens when you 2 of your headliners are a has been and a deep house DJ (although lucien foort was cool), a lot of people no their shit here, we just don't get treated like it

people don't want brands, they want NAMES, the biggest of which around the world are trance and prog DJ's so they should definitely feature at any and all BDO's

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Supamaorifulla

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Actually Paul Oakenfeld is a brand unto himself... Just like Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods are also brands. All part of the new brand not roduct marketing approach that is prevalent.

they might be brands, but they are still names that people want to see...

im always right

even when you don't like it

OMG You lot are a bunch of whinging nana's. Sam, sort it out mate - First of all you should know by now that Australians know nothing, especially where it concerns music (Killing Heidi, Silverchair!! Nuff Said!)

Secondly, Kosheen were the ONLY international Drum & Bass act that represented at the BDO, the rest of the acts consisted of home grown talent, which just goes to show how strong and healthy the D&B scene here in New Zealand is.

Perhaps if local Trance acts were of a similar calibre they would find themselves better represented.

I think Toasted summed it up quite nicely, when he stated that this country's big raves can attribute their success to their respective marketing campaigns. Moreover it's common knowledge that a large percentage of punters to these gigs don't go for the DJs or the Music, but use them as an excuse to pop some pills, have a good boogie and a wikkid time ...which is all good. But ask them the next day what music they were dancing to the night before and they wouldn't have a clue ...gross generalisation I know ..but my point remains that the success of these gigs can't be attributed to the punters love for the music.

how can you say that the drum n bass djs are any more talented in their respected genres than trance djs. thats shows complete narrow mindedness.

is presha better than greg churchill or ob1 or p money? you cant compare genres!

agreed that the marketing campaigns pull in a lot of people who arent into the music but at the end of the day people will eventually like something if exposed to it enough.

i could also say that i know about 50 epsom girls who hate drum n bass but who go to the d and b gigs because its "cool" and so they can wear their new royals.

at the end of the day ppl will go to whatever takes their fancy. and tv advertised events will always attract more ppl over an event with just flyers in high st shoe shops

getting back to the original point all i was saying was that bdo is a commercial event yet a lot of the music was anything but. this in turn explains why ppl are getting less interested in it every year. they are musically disappointed i feel so have stopped going


im not knocking your scene dude cos i actually like it and probably have more old skool drum n bass than half the local djs you listen to. i also think that concorde dawn were the best thing in the boiler room this year.

You've raised some interesting points there.
First up, I was by no means implying that the Drum & Bass DJs were more talented then the Trance DJs or DJs of any genre for that matter. My point (altho not at all obvious) was directed at the production front. Case in point, Concorde Dawn, who are by all accounts average DJs, but popular producers. I don't pretend to know alot about the Trance scene, but I've yet to hear of any world class New Zealand trance producers.

I agree wholeheartedly on your point regarding exposure, especially where it concerns big events such as two tribes ..simply because of the wikked vibes at these type of events, add drugs into the equation and your average punter can't help but have a good time, regardless of what genre of music is playing.

Your last point however, is contradictory, or at the very least confused me. You state that the BDO is a commercial event, yet a lot of the music isn't and that's why the punters have stopped going. Yet you seek to remedy this by calling for more Trance/Hardhouse DJs in your original post, when none of these genres are commercial on the grand scale of things either!! Doesn't make sense mate ...if this were your stance, shouldn't you be campaigning for the likes of the Backstreet boyz & Britney at the next BDO?

Haha @ the 'out on Positiva' call...

Cites Sam's point on exposure as the Defence for Drum & the Bass

hahaha......

p.s. Sam, I know you're not knocking the scene bro ..just struck me as odd that you (and others) thought that DnB was over represented this year, when in fact it's had the same level of representation for the past 3-4 years.

i am a sheep, i follow the crowd

i thought the boiler room was well ahh errr not as entertaining as stalking

i just thought for the size of the crowd and the target audience in attendance that the music could have been proportionately better directed to them.

as much as i love deep house i cant imagine many of the audience at the bdo would have been that into it compared to trance/harhouse. how many 16 yr olds would say buy a rob salmon/dick johnson cd compared to say a chemistry or a lagered.

i just think my point revolves more around target audience and which demographic had actually paid for their tickets

Is that the case tho?? Isn't it the other way around?? In that the audience bought tickets to the BDO on the account that they knew what bands/djs would be playing.

Personally I would have loved to have seen each genre represented equally, well - I tell a lie ...but if we were to go by your reasoning, the BDO would be filled by Robbie, Britney and Blink182 ..because they're the ones with the pulling power for said demographic.

*nods*

so maybe i little mainstream, a little alternative?