Black Caps vs West Indies

They really need to sort it out. McCullum gets given out, immediately refers it as he knows he hasn't hit it, then still ends up out.

The thing that is crap about that, is that if the on field umpire gave it not out, then the fielding team referred it, he would still be not out as the third umpire has no evidence to show he did hit it.

And I think they need to get the hotspot technology in use for edges etc.

McCullums dismissal was the key. And it was a poor dismissal.

Referral system has changed the game. Hmmmmmm.

Anyway. They should keep going for 1 more with a small period of consolidation. They can still win it.....

BUT

They can lose it.

The beauty of the test cricket run chase.

And Vettori is the man if he is needed to avert any crisis.

And Chris Martin isn't playing too!!!

Abandoned I would say. RR too high.

Game abandoned.

McCullum dismissal killed it. But really NZ should have cleared out the Windies tail earlier and had more time to get the runs.

I feel NZ are still short a strike bowler. O'Brien bowled well at times and put lots of effort in. Mills/Franklin barely did anything. Perhaps they could have done with Southee?

It is true Harvey.

Look at Oz at the moment.

Mind...Gayles innings was the match saver.

I thought he was asleep for the whole game. Then that innings changed the game.

Nice opp for NZ and they showed potential in their endeavours against a weak side (albeit osme good batsmen).

Vettoris spoke well at the end. He knows he has some good new players (Flynn, Ryder....perhaps McKintosh) and some decent senior ones (Oram to come back, McCullum).

There are also some very talented cricketers who have already done it but need to prove they can be consistent. Taylor obviously.....perhaps Hows)

Its not sll doom and gloom although the past year has been dire.

NZ. We have the AB's a level above all year. League. Well what a finish to the year.

And then the Black Caps.

Poor poor year.

And does One Day cricket really count???? (As we are definitely good at this).

I only ask as 20/20 is totally meaningless.....a bit like The Celebrity Apprentice.

Yep

What a loser. But comes as no suprise ....

Pathetic attempt from us to chase that score!

Im sorry. Wat? Is that fucking YELLOW I see in our 20/20 uniform?





Yellow?




...


FUUCKING YELLOW!!!!!!@@@??




&^%$%#$ THE NZ 20/20 TEAM UNTIL THEY SORT THAT SHIT OUT. I HOPE THEY LOSE EVERY GAME!!! FUCKING YELLOW!!!!?? OMG!! DOES NO ONE @ NZC HAVE ANY CONCEPT OF TRADITION!! FUCKING YELLOW!!!!! HEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLOOOOOOOOO!!!??

*throws up*

FU BTW VAUGHN!!

I thought it was a bit of beige on the uniforms?

well Im somewhat less intoxicated/belligerent now and I also recall the WI having similair clour/markings on their outfits? Perhaps its a 20/20 thing. Still sucks though + looks more like yellow to me harv

Crap. Looks like it has been raining in Queenstown. And it's forcast for rain throughout the day.

NZ won toss and will bowl first.

Chanderpaul is out with injury.

Rain is expected to impact the game.

...I'm bored at work and will post stuff about the match throughout the day.

Mills with another world class opening spell. Vettori now tying them in knots.

Nice to see all those people living in NZ posting about NZ playing a game.

This cricket business is not conducive to working. With the TV, radio commentary and cricinfo to switch between I am not getting much done.

Oram bowling very well too.

Bummer. Doesn't look like this game is going to continue. Shame considering a good crowd had turned out.

Looked at the rain rader just before. Virtually nothing for the whole country except for the bottom of the south island.

Dear South Island,


Thanks so much for the wonderful weather you have provided for us for our summer of cricket


From


The North Island

Bugger about that second to last over.

Totally ruining my relaxing holiday of watching cricket though. That's two days I want back.


And I'm going to be at a wedding on Saturday so I will probably miss all of the first proper full game of the series!

PS. In other news India wants to play a 3-test series against NZ instead of a 2-test series.

Great, so we can lose 3-0 rather than 2-0

Is my memory incredibly hopeful and dated or have we done ok vs India at home?


/produce green tops


/pray to win the toss

Again you base your views on "we will win/compete because HISTORY says we will". India will destroy us in Tests right now.

I was obviously being facetious Mr high and mighty right now

It's like those NZ journalists wanting Sachin to tour so we can see world class batting

Soz, I'd rather see him get constant first ballers.

So would I...I have little interest in watching India pound our bowlers tyvm

anyway Indian batsmen DO tend to struggle in NZ vs the swinging ball cos they are not used to it. Produce the greentops and let Southee loose, they will know next to nothing about him and will prob barely look him up

Of course...Zaheer and esp Sharma are pretty awesome and we suck hard with the bat so it should all backfire on us spectaculary....but I would still like to see our bowlers get a half sporty track to have a go on. To hell with producing roads where India can set all sorts of records and demorolize our test team further. I'll be furious if thats what happens.

Was prob Doully that Im thinking of who tied India in knots. No..... Didnt we belt India like 5-0 in one dayers or w-e on a series of greentops just before about 2-3 world cups ago?


history RA...you cant beat it!

R U SRS?

http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/ausvrsa2008_09/engine/current/match/351681.html

and this

http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/ausvrsa2008_09/engine/current/match/351682.html

would suggest you are wrong

Anyway ... WI being hammered at the moment. We need to win this game ...

STOP ARGUING AND CALL ME CUNT

I can't call you cunt Im sitting in a coference room looking busy!

KD Mills 8 2 12 2



BOWL MILLSEY THROUGH ONE TIME!!@!

Well then email me?


I need all your passport details asap

Oh fuck I have no clue. Ill ask my secretary!

Can your mum look it up? My airpoints # 6418550

No can't look it up.
When can you get it?
And when are you going to pay?
Said you would weeks ago

Poor "killer instinct" by NZ. Having them 74/8 and then watching the last pair (not talking about Shiv's contribution) addd another 54 was pathetic.

Guptill in for How. And I would guess he'll play? Unless they slot Broom in somewhere.

Bit of a shame it's come to this, but I think How will sort things out long term.

How has no place in the ODI side. He should concentrate on the longer form of the game which suits his style better.

Also what in the fuck are the NZ selectors thinking by having Elliot and Oram in the same line up??? Oras injuries notwithstanding, that lineup in the last two games had 7 bowlers in it.

If Oram doesn't retire from bowling in the meantime and is fit, play him and drop Elliot, there's no reason to have them both in the same side. Have another specialist batsman in the side and have Ryder bowling as the 6th bowler.

Our lineups have looked out of balance all season.

You need a player like How in your top order in 50 over cricket. Capable of striking around 80, steadying an innings, then accelerating towards the end if necessary, but ideally batting 40 overs or more. Fleming and (later in his career) Astle previously had those roles. Most other sides have a "proper" batsmen in their top 3 for 50 over cricket. How showed he's capable of taking that role in the tied match against England last year.

Besides that, NZ struggles to keep Test only players, especially batsmen, around for long. If at all possible, it's better for us to have players who can play in both forms.

They can't play Oram and expect him to bowl. It's looking increasing pointless him trying to carry on bowling as he's so fragile.

It's confirmed. Guptill in for How.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10551084

I'm confused. You said a player like How but then went on to say that he would strike around 80 and bat 40 overs or so.


I hear what you are saying, a lineup can't consist of all aggressive flashy batsmen, I just don't think How is that batsman we need. That tied match against England is the *only* time he's forfilled that role. More often than not he holds the side back in terms of strike and run rates.

I'm happy to see him back if he regains some form but for now, he is not the batsman we need.

On another note, Vadz must be happy at the selection of another Aucklander in the side despite the Aces poor record this season thus far...

Yeah the so called aces have been terrible for a few seasons now. I tried to dredge up my "Whats wrong with Auckland cricket?" thread but couldn’t find it. Its is weird how so many Auckland boys are getting call ups though (not to say Tim and Mark doesnt deserve it)

Anyway with their bowling line up they really should be doing much better. Too much old wood, Aucklandb are chronic for that. Remember Aaron Branes and Tama Canning? Kept getting selected for waaaaay too long... get rid of Tuffey, Jones and Styris...they will never play for NZ again anyway (well scotty shouldn’t)

I have A LOT of time for How, he has blasted 140 odd @ over 100 before from memory. But he clearly needs a break here....could have been dropped from both forms of the game quite some time ago

Yeah, it took me a while to warm to How when he first came in, but his technique always looked pretty solid to me. His ODI stats are pretty good (despite the recent slump):

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/37265.html

avg of 34, striking at 70, 7 50s, 1 100 - can't really expect too much more from a NZ bastman. (His test record is obviously disappointing though - although I tend to think he's not an opener).

Not arguing he shouldn't have been dropped. But I think this is just a matter of form, rather than class. Pretty sure we'll see him back permanantly within 12 months.

Would love to see the natural swing bowler Southee open instead of old unreliable Gillespie. Yes "Dizzy" is a lot faster and has been around for longer but he doesn't swing the ball so why should he have the new ball? Makes more sense in my mind to have him as first change and just bowl line and length with a bit of zip to "trouble" the batsmen instead of Southee being unable to swing the ball anymore and becoming just fodder for the top order batsmen to pick off.

Thoughts?

agree. Pace is pointless unless its very accurate and well used or stupid scary fast in the late 150's. Gillespe is too expensive, and gets tonked even in domestic cricket. Guile gets peiople out nowadays, Vettori is proof of that, and Mitchell Jhonson, who's variation is what has made him so hard to play over the last 18 months.

Hurrrrm. I dunno. Not saying yous is wrong but its closer than you make out. Mark is the fastest bowler in the country and is def being played/trialed on potential. If he is not going to open then he prob shouldnt play. He needs the threat of the bounce of a new ball to stop openers cow cornering him with impunity

Agree that Southee should ideally open but he can have that role when Mills retires/wanes. Opening with two such similair bowlers as Southee and Mills will be very painful when we strike an opposition opener who is on form and has a attitude

I think Mitchell Johnson being 145kmh plays a rather large part :>

I could have articulated my point better with less words

The NZ ODI side has 2 real bowling weapons and they are precious as hell, opening with Southee blunts one of them .....quite a lot I think. Im not keen

Haha facepalm

Yeah, I think Dizzy has to open and try to bounce or blast a couple out at the top.

I really liked him when he first started playing, I remember seeing him bowl a really good spell against Jayasuria when he was belting everyone else around.. he was the only one bowling just short of a good length which most of the Lankans struggle with.....

But since then he hasn't done a huge amount tbh. His accuracy is a problem, but if he slows down to try to correct it, he'll end up being just another military medium NZ bowler. The selectors really seem to like him at the moment, but I'm not sure that'll last too much longer.

Gillespie bowls at that clip too. Admittedly more 140-145 where Johnson is 145-150 though.

I disagree with Maestro and Mutant. (jesus that's a bit civilised for this forum innit?)


Mills and Southee are quite different in my opinion. Mills obtains the majority of his movement off the deck where as Southee gets a natural movement through the air. Yes they both move the ball away from the right hander but they do it differently enough not to be one dimensional as an opening attack. In the old days, having two outswingers to open your bowling was considered the norm. Only in these days where genuine swing bowling has become a bit of a rarity is it considered a novelty. Nathan Bracken is a good example of what having good swing bowlers at the top of the order can do.

Return to the old days!

The basis of my frustration though is seeing Southee, a genuine swinger of the ball, being wasted on an older ball which doesn't always move and getting tonked for it. Gillespie is quicker, yes, but he's horribly inaccurate and is in awful form of late. I can't remember the last time he looked threatening. I would probably have to go back to the CB Series in Aussie 3 seasons back when his short of a length deliveries made the aussies a bit uncomfortable.

swing and pace?

Open with Martin and Franklin...

Franklin needs to relearn how to swing a ball again...

Yeah, not convinced about Franklin...

I basically agree with you dalai, it's more that I think if you're going to play Gillespie, he should open, or there's no point playing him... but I'm not sure we should be playing him at all... not sure who'd replace him, but maybe Martin deserves a go, his domestic form has been reasonable

So you're arguing against having a third seamer?

no, i'm arguing against Gillesipie playing really...

Mills & Southee could open if you had someone better as first change

NZ bowling fist. So lets see what Gillespie does today.

I'm happy they are bowling first. I am confident they can chase just about any total. But I don't back the current bowling attack to defend a total at the moment. If it didn't get rained off in the last match the Windies were looking good to get that revised total ...of course, Vetorri hadn't bowled yet then.

yeah, looks like a 300+ pitch...

Mills takes a wicket! Chattergoon out.

Need to stop them from getting a good start with the odd wicket, then have Vetorri strangle them in the middle overs. That should result in a score that can be easily chased down at Napier.

Spot the difference.

Mills: 4 overs, 7 runs
Gillespie: 4 overs, 26 runs

Time to bring on Southee?

Gayle has taken to southie all summer. he'ss get tonked also.

Southee: 5 overs, 17 runs.

He's just come back on to bowl now, but a good first spell.

16 overs to go. Only 2 wickets down. How long until Gayle/Chandepaul try to cut loose? Will they leave it too late, or end up losing wickets in the process.

If they don't get a wicket soon these guys will score 100+ in the last 10 overs.

finally.

At least they didn't let them get past that psychological 300 score. Awesome innings from Gayle with support from Chanderpaul.

Anything under 300 should be chaseable at Napier.

50 up within 5 overs!!!

any links to a live video stream?

Gillespe haterz 4-58 not bad

http://www.cric7.com/

he definitely shows potential... he bowls some good deliveries.. the one to dismiss Sarwan was good.. but he needs to develop substantially if he's going to be a genuine international quality bowler

TBH I didnt see a single delivery, dont have SKY atm. I just have a bit of a thing for him after he gave Hayden a spray when he was still a rookie

What a crap tour anyway....bring on the Hadlee-Chappell

Never stopped you commenting before!

WILL NEVA

It was pretty fortuitous wicket taking really. Most of them came at the end of the innings where the West Indians were throwing their wickets away.

His opening spell was, once again, dire.

QFT.

yeah, was bloody boring... altho the rain was a huge factor obviously...

some good positives for NZ, obviously in the batting. McIntosh and Guptill did well, will be interesting to see if they continue. Taylor has turned into one of the most mature batsman of his age I've seen. He could well become NZ's all time #1 batsman if he keeps this up. And with Ryder and Flynn looking good prospects, and How starting to regain some form at domestic level, it's not looking bad. Will be a year or two before things gel, but we could end up better off than before all the retirements.

The bowling is slightly more of an issue. Mills: awesome in the ODIs, crap in the tests. Gillesipe: we've already documented his issues. Franklin: bah! Southee and Martin should've played the tests. Vetorri: no need to comment really.