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Discuss.

Some to start off with:

Black Swan
True Grit
How to Die In Oregon
Drive
Source Code
Biutiful
Barney's Version
Senna
Win Win
TT3D: Closer To The Edge
X-Men First Class
Take Shelter
Elite Squad 2: Enemy Within
Beats, Rhymes & Life: The Travels of a Tribe Called Quest


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is this the best movies we could legally see in NZ or actual movies released to see in 2011?

there be a big difference

and fuck you tintin distributors/movie people
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TF: DSOTM. End Thread.
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DRIVE ainec
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gummi_bear said:
DRIVE ainec



This is, unhesitatingly, my pick for movie of the year. Stunning.
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Only seen 2 of them. Of those: Black Swan was a good film.

Source Code was interesting and good to watch but it doesn't actually make sense. Like Inception however, it probably confuses it's audience, and they mistake it for being really deep, which it's not. It's just wtf. Like Inception.
There must be a market for pseudo-science fiction that confuses dopey audiences so that they think they just watched an intelligent movie when actually it's kinda bullshit. I still enjoyed it though.
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Laughing Fuck off, Smiley...perhaps Inception confused you, made sense to me and it's a fucking great film
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Black Swan was my favourite film.

Take Shelter, Jiro Dreams of Sushi, Tabloid and Guilty Pleasures were the best films/docos i saw at the film festival. Haven't been to the movies to see Drive yet!
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Really looking fwd to checking out 'Take Shelter' Smile
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Inception was a steaming pile of hairy bollix
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OneHappy said:
Drive was a steaming pile of hairy bollix

FTFY

Mine probably goes to Black Swan too, although I've seen so goddamn many I can't never remember what I've seen.
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In all seriousness 50/50 is my pick ! Just really liked the characters, nothing ground breaking but it was a great flick about cancer.

Best Comedy - Nothing (this years comedy line up was pretty terrible (bridesmaids included))
Best Drama - 50/50
Best Animated - The Secret World of Arrietty (can't say no to hayao miyazaki)
Best Superhero - Thor. (Probably gonna be panned for this but I hated the new X-Men, very dissimilar to the comics and couldn't stand most of the cast)
Best Sci-Fi - Super 8
Best Horror - Fright Night
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Hot:
Inbetweeners
My Week With Marilyn
Kings Speech
The Artist

Not:
Bridesmaids
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resist said:
In all seriousness 50/50 is my pick ! Just really liked the characters, nothing ground breaking but it was a great flick about cancer.

Best Comedy - Nothing (this years comedy line up was pretty terrible (bridesmaids included))
Best Drama - 50/50
Best Animated - The Secret World of Arrietty (can't say no to hayao miyazaki)
Best Superhero - Thor. (Probably gonna be panned for this but I hated the new X-Men, very dissimilar to the comics and couldn't stand most of the cast)
Best Sci-Fi - Super 8
Best Horror - Fright Night



The argument begins... :>

Thor was fuckin atrocious man. It was terrible! Best superhero film was Captain America by a looooooong way. Really brought to mind the old Saturday night matinee style of adventure film ala Raiders of the Lost Ark etc. It even throws in a cheeky reference to Raiders in the first 10 minutes. Laughing

New X-Men was a good film, but Captain America was great.

And Bridesmaids is hilarious! Sexist pigs ITT imo. Razz

...annnnnnd if Black Swan came out this year, then that is my #2. Drive is still the best by a long shot.
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Can anyone explain to me why they thought Drive was amazing? I stand by my original thoughts about it: Pseudo-intellectual hipster gibble.
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Insanity said:
Laughing Fuck off, Smiley...perhaps Inception confused you, made sense to me and it's a fucking great film

So... I re-read my post and nope, I didn't say or even imply that Inception confused me....
and even said "There must be a market for pseudo-science fiction that confuses dopey audiences" Hmmm...
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the last circus:

2 clowns battle to the death over the love of a trapeze artist. one goes insane and goes on a machine gun rampage ala falling down. frigging awesome. hitchcock type ending. machete weilding clown decimates army at the beginning.

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think it might have come out 2010 tho - well it was only released here this year!
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I agree with Bridesmaids being hilarious for what it was - a chick flick ffs.
I also thought Crazy Stupid Love was a good comedy - good amount of laughs for dudes and dudets.
Both of those were better than the Inbetweeners by a long way..
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I fucking *HATED* Crazy Stupid Love for some reason.
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spike said:
Can anyone explain to me why they thought Drive was amazing? I stand by my original thoughts about it: Pseudo-intellectual hipster gibble.


Mad spoiler action below...


It was a combination of its parts. Firstly, for a noir crime genre film, it had surprisingly complex and interesting characters brought to life through great writing/directing and some excellent acting. Leaving aside the brilliant performances of the leads for a second (seriously, has any actor made you understand so much of what they were thinking in a single half smirk than Ryan Gosling in this?), the minor characters are awesome! Albert Brooks is amazingly scary (way the fuck against type - although Hank Scorpio is pretty dastardly too), Bryan Cranston is impressive as always - that scene when he realised he was about die and shriveled up in sadness, helplessness, regret, fear, so many emotions flashing by in a second - the guy is a gifted actor at the peak of his craft right now. Ron Perlman is Ron Perlman, a fucking boss hog scene stealer in anything he's in. His casting is a necessary one to add to the noir genre nature of the film. His character acting is so perfect you just know his story before he says a word but even with that expectation, he still steals scenes, except when Albert Brook is sharing it, then he has to settle for equal billing.

The cinematography and soundtrack go hand in hand. They combine to give you this nostalgic retro feel that I just loved. The saturation of red colors made me recall GTA: Vice City in that throwback to the 80's appearance, the overhead shots of LA evoked Michael Mann's best work. It felt like the film makers were deliberately and lovingly paying homage to the films/tv that they grew up with. The music despite all being recent all had that retro 80's synth thang going on. Kavinsky's Nightcall just set the whole thing up from the get go.

Apparently the director, Nicholas Winding ( I think that's his name without double checking) doesn't drive at all and was being driven around by Ryan Gosling in preproduction all the time and this inspired him to shoot most of the drive action from a passengers perspective, which personally I think works amazingly well. The opening sequence is a terrific example of this. It's a wickedly tense sequence of cat and mouse all shot (apart from a couple of necessary shots) from the passenger seat. I feel this implicates us in the action. It makes us feel a part of the heist and adds more to the tension than if we were viewing from a remote third person perspective. I really enjoyed how key action sequences were done like this. It felt fresh and original and worked really well.

When this project was conceived, it was supposed to be a b grade action thriller directed by a slasher director (Neill Marshall) and starring Nicholas Cage or someone similar. When Ryan Gosling came on board, he brought in Nicholas Winding and together they imagined a completely different take on it. It uses the genre convention to guide you to put two and two together yourself without the need for obvious plot moments, such as when Ryan Gosling knows he's been set up by Christina Hendricks - because that's what is meant to happen in a noir film - the alluring women will *always* double cross you, and it also defies those conventions - do we ever see the big payoff scene wher Albert Brooks is finally triumphed? Do Gosling and Carey Mulligan ever sleep together? Aren't they meant to? Is he supposed to get along with her husband? Is her husband supposed to trust him - the guy who comes over to his wife's place and just... helps out? I just get so sick of overly formulaic films and it's nice when characters do what feels natural to the scene rather than just following the convention and we the audience along with them...

But all that aside, it *is* still a crime noir genre piece and it functions perfectly well within those boundaries. The setup is great, the tension works and ratchets up through the course of the film as the stakes get higher. The violence is startling (and oh so brutal - the stabbing stuck with me for ages afterwards, the sound effects add so much to that scene) and effective. The bad guys are suitably scary and bad, the good guy is suitably noble and strong. The women either typical noir fatales or absolute angels, it's completely convincing to us that Driver would do this for Carey Mulligan and her son. The bond they form comes across as genuine and it is important to the film that the time was spent on developing this bond to make it so convincing. A lot of people complain about the pacing of the movie but it is absolutely necessary that the time was spent on these characters in the first half of the film because that's what makes us care. And that's what helps make this genre film rise above the others of its kind.

And above all it just oozes cool... That might be that hipsterism you were referring to but it's not unique to this film or even to films of this age. Ryan Gosling evokes Steve McQueen in his performance and so much of what makes Steve McQueen an enduring screen icon is that he is just so... fucking... cool. Witness his performance in Bullitt. People remember the car chases but Steve also defined a look, a fashion that is as memorable as the Mustang he drove. I'm not saying people are going to start dressing like Ryan does in Drive but I am saying that a lot of thought and deliberation went into what he wears, how he holds himself. Consider the use of the toothpick as a prop. It's all deliberate and it's all tres' cool.

Anyhows, it's late and I'm just ranting away. No doubt I will think of more shit later.
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gummi_bear said:
I fucking *HATED* Crazy Stupid Love for some reason.


I thought it was o...k.... Some good moments like when Ryan Gosling (*sigh*) is shopping with Steve Carell, but the sentimentalism that takes over the film towards the end made me fucking cringe worse than He Man's pussy cat...
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Forgot about Thor, loved that. Did not rate Captain America AT all though. Really dissapointed by it. The trailer had me pumped but I never connected with it, way too camp for me. The whole concept of "Captain America" turns me off though.

Last Circus was at the film fest, and just came out on DVD last month.

Another couple to add:
Troll Hunter
Client 9: The Rise and Fall of Elliot Spitzer
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I really liked Thor. I think it was because I wasn't expecting much. It was highly entertaining though, one of the better superhero movies to come out of late, and a new story instead of lets do spiderman for the 55th time Rolling Eyes

I thought x-men was lame. Which was a shame because I love x-men movies.

Best movie was definitely breaking dawn Pink Winky JOKES.

Drive is on the watchlist for this weekend.

Senna was probably my pick for best movie. Although its a doco so doesn't really win.
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HardHouse007 said:
. The whole concept of "Captain America" turns me off though.


I knew this would be a problem with the fashionable hate America sect. Thing is tho is that the film slyly takes the piss out of the concept and the original foundations of the comic by showing Steve Rogers's growing unease with being used as a propaganda tool. When he finally appears before the army men and is vilified by the troops, I think it's a great skewering of the "Captain America concept" as you put it.

And I didn't think it was any more camp than say, Raiders? It was going for that old fashioned Saturday night matinee feel and I thought it did that well. Thor is way worse in that respect, how could you look at all that golden armour and not think that camper than a row of tents? Poor Idris Elba looked like he wanted to break free!
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dalai said:
spike said:
Can anyone explain to me why they thought Drive was amazing? I stand by my original thoughts about it: Pseudo-intellectual hipster gibble.


Mad spoiler action....

Yeah I dunno. I usually enjoy movies of this genre, but this one just really grated me. I didn't find anything particularly original in it, and Gosling's character just grated me to tears. His awkwardness in particular. God I just wanted to slap that gurning half grin off his face and yell at him "just say something, fuckface!" at more than one point. I felt no connection to him at all. Maybe his awkwardness was to some a redeeming feature, but I found it completely at odds with who the character was meant to be. I agree with what you're saying about the others, they were fantastic.

As for the soundtrack; there were some moments, but totally ruined by that College track that was repeated throughout. I think I counted at least three scenes it was used in?

I might give it another go at some point. I was quite tired when I watched it, and it was not what I was thinking I was going to see which may have skewed my views on it a bit. I thought it was good, but could have been so much more.
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Thor was shit and I'm still not really sure what happened in it tbh.
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haha yeah, the whole thing was incoherent as fuck.

Stringer Bell was awesome in it though :>
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Stringer Bell could make Coronation Street awesome though.
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none they all sucked,

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Smiley said:
Insanity said:
Laughing Fuck off, Smiley...perhaps Inception confused you, made sense to me and it's a fucking great film


So... I re-read my post and nope, I didn't say or even imply that Inception confused me....
and even said "There must be a market for pseudo-science fiction that confuses dopey audiences" Hmmm...


I read between the lines because you ARE a dopey bastard
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nah he's right inception sucked balls
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People who hate Inception suck balls imo :>
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did you have to stop sucking your balls to post that?

I know how hard it is for fans of that movie to multi task
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Inception is awesome! I wish they made more blockbusters like that. Instead we get Transformers and Cowboys V Aliens.


And it's all because of you haters! :>
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bob daktari said:
did you have to stop sucking your balls to post that?

I know how hard it is for fans of that movie to multi task


WRONG!!

I can suck my balls AND post on the internetz... a sign of an intellect that appreciates blockbusters like Inception :>
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I enjoyed both transformers* and cowboys vs aliens - they don't pretend to be anything more than they are, mindless entertainment

*please note haters I'm not the 'transformers' generation so have no childhood memories that the film franchise has destroyed - unlike terminator he types through gritted teeth



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gummi_bear said:
WRONG!!

I can suck my balls AND post on the internetz... a sign of an intellect that appreciates blockbusters like Inception :>


well obviously the movies target market

I'd never even try to do that....

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Was Inception this year?
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who cares, we're debating on the internet

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Insanity said:

I read between the lines because you ARE a dopey bastard

ho ho very clever....
/ignore

No Inception was 2010 Spike, I just compared it to Source Code. Or how about the Matrix, same thing. I'm not saying any of those films are bad, they were all good entertainment. I was just commenting on the "Whoa this is deep" brigade. It really isn't.
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Source Code was okish - as it got closeish to PK Dicks (me a huge fan) original stories premise... but still failed badly

I'll add fight club as the 'intelligent' movie brigade that actually was shit
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Inception >>>>> Matrix >>>>> *daylight* >>>> Limlitless >>>> *daylight* >>>>> Source Code

Source Code was fucking shheeeeeeeiiiiittttttt

Fight Club isn't even in the same league/genre/style, just an interesting character film with an odd twist...and also, a fucking great film...Bob D, you wouldn't know a good movie if it took a steaming dump on your chest.
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Matrix > Inception imo Smile
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I shall take take that as a testament to my good taste thanking you sir

hollywood fed whores the lot of you

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gummi_bear said:
Matrix > Inception imo Smile


Yeah, I'd possibly agree, was just hyperbolising...they're close tho...Matrix would have been miles ahead if the lead was someone who could actually act Laughing
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bob daktari said:
I enjoyed both transformers* and cowboys vs aliens - they don't pretend to be anything more than they are, mindless entertainment

*please note haters I'm not the 'transformers' generation so have no childhood memories that the film franchise has destroyed - unlike terminator he types through gritted teeth





There is a time and a place for mindless entertainment I agree. Cowboys V Aliens however, took itself far too seriously to be just that hence it's crap.

The Matrix was quite a phenomenon when it came out, Inception never got that far in terms of cultural influence. In fact it's quite apparent that visually in some scenes, Inception was influenced by The Matrix.

However... The Matrix didn't have the Christopher Nolan factor. Razz
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dalai said:
The Matrix was quite a phenomenon when it came out...

Which goes to show how straight your average punter is:
"Whoa, everything could be a simulation!" - You really had never considered that before?? Fuuuck.
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Smiley said:
dalai said:
The Matrix was quite a phenomenon when it came out...

Which goes to show how straight your average punter is:
"Whoa, everything could be a simulation!" - You really had never considered that before?? Fuuuck.



I've made the case before in another biggie discussion about how derivative The Matrix really is. It wasn't its originality that created the cultural phenomenon, it was the combination of many things, the brilliant marketing campaign being an obvious contribution.
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and good old bullet cam which then proceeded to be a copied style for music videos and television ads (though done in a much cheaper "now hold still" way)
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I thought the Matrix was a pretty dam good movie

If i was gonna get picky though, Neo's task of discovering that he was "the One" is pretty identical to Luke's efforts to use the force - and both are narratives designed for children
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Smiley said:
dalai said:
The Matrix was quite a phenomenon when it came out...

Which goes to show how straight your average punter is:
"Whoa, everything could be a simulation!" - You really had never considered that before?? Fuuuck.


You're right -- Descarte was a total fkn drooler Razz
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kris_b said:
Thor was shit and I'm still not really sure what happened in it tbh.


Oh, I think guys didnt like it was much because they weren't as impressed with his physique Pink Winky
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Captain America sucked for me for one main reason. There was no adversity after he became awesome.

He was just awesome, then smashed everyone Neutral
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This is awesome.
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resist said:
Captain America sucked for me for one main reason. There was no adversity after he became awesome.

He was just awesome, then smashed everyone Neutral


*spoilers*

I disagree. He went through a lot of psychological adversity. Dealing with being used as a pawn of the government, dealing with the loss of his friend and you know the whole World War 2 thing. As for physically, remember the dude who killed his friend, the cylon lookin motherfucker with the double lasers almost got him and I thought that The Red Skull was a good villain. Equally matched physically and more importantly, memorable. Hugo Weaving makes a better villain than that sniveling wimp who betrayed Thor.

And speaking of Thor, what was his main adversity again? Oh yeah, he had to learn to not be a dick. Razz :>
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Also the emotion at the end is genuine! I actually felt something (he never got to dance with Peggy!) because I actually cared about the characters! Something badly lacking from Thor.
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Loved Drive.

Anyone seen Snowtown? It's horrific... couldn't watch bits of it...left the cinema feeling very disturbed.
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Speaking of captain america, one of the creators Joe Simon died today.
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Wow its twisted sister!
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PhunkyDave said:
Wow its twisted sister!

Hello PD! I still lurk every now and again Cool
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PhunkyDave said:
Wow its twisted sister!

Hello PD! I still lurk every now and again Cool
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Well i obtined a copy of Drive this afternoon after reading this forum. I have heard so many mixed reviews - some saying they wanted to leave after 30 minutes, others saying the use of dramatic pause was too much. But after 1hr 30 I have to say I love it!

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TwistedSister said:
Anyone seen Snowtown? It's horrific... couldn't watch bits of it...left the cinema feeling very disturbed.


Incredible film Smile
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did people like Melancholia? Def one of the better films of this year
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Gonna check it out some time this week bob_d... looking fwd to it Very Happy
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bob daktari said:
did people like Melancholia? Def one of the better films of this year


Out on Thur. It's growing on me - saw it first at the fest and did not rate at all. Watched it again last month and got some new appreciation for it, and no not jsut because i was awake for the Kirsten Dunst full frontal shot : p

Saw Hugo yesterday - would be near the top of my list were it not for the fact it's not out till Jan 6th. Magical and anyone with an appreciation of early cinema will adore it.
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RED DOG

Such a cool film full of loads of great characters

Thought Super 8 was pretty decent, too...not topping the lists, but pretty cool...effects were amazing, and the actors, for a bunch of kids, were brilliant!
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dalai summed up super 8 somewhere here real well - a great film

other similar "kids flicks" - I really like Paul, I am number four from this year
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Insanity said:
RED DOG

Such a cool film full of loads of great characters

Thought Super 8 was pretty decent, too...not topping the lists, but pretty cool...effects were amazing, and the actors, for a bunch of kids, were brilliant!


Oh that's good I have wanted to see Red Dog for a while.. might go and see it on Boxing Day with the kid to avoid the mental boxing day sales that will be going on...

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Is Red Dog only at the movies just now in NZ? Out on DVD here
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Insanity said:
Is Red Dog only at the movies just now in NZ? Out on DVD here


Yes, that's nice.

They probably just wanted to see how it went in the Aussie market before having it at the cinemas here.. as it is an Aussie movie not exactly blockbuster...but I've heard it's cute and disney styles.

Nice.
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QTRARO said:
Insanity said:
Is Red Dog only at the movies just now in NZ? Out on DVD here


Yes, that's nice.

They probably just wanted to see how it went in the Aussie market before having it at the cinemas here.. as it is an Aussie movie not exactly blockbuster...but I've heard it's cute and disney styles.

Nice.


Oh snap!
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Hannah is not on anyones list?
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HannA you mean? Razz

Have it downloaded, but yet to actually watch