Basshunter at Westpac

Does anyone else think this is slightly ambitious?

almost as ambitious as the explanation of rips new mix

send him bak

Sad thing is, people will go to this, and yet when some thing decent comes to town, it's like pulling teeth to get people to support it.

Ah well, such is commercial music.

If he fills Westpac Trust I will lose all faith in the music scene

Jesus...i thought this was a joke and you were tricking us to try and tell us somehting else. F*ck that is a worry...its aweful aweful music.

he only got4 singles that any one knows lol short concert

I'd like to know who the promoter is...by the way its 35 degrees here in italy haha

The Edge

heard the adverts this morning Auck, Welly and ChCh

Fuck it, if they can fill Westpac good on them. I don't necessarily agree with or enjoy any of his stuff, but his music will certainly open the doors of dance music wider and to a bigger audience. The more dance music in the commercial charts the better, even if us purists class much of it as shit.

I'd happily play support

Couldnt agree more Seb...
Its bringing another new generation in the dance music scene.. they hear this stuff, and move on to less commercial stuff.. works well for the industry as a whole.

I doubt whether people would move on to "less commercial" (does less commercial always mean less bad though???) music after this.


Kids don't wont to move out of their comfort zone. They feel safe and are happy listeing to what themselves and peers listen to. It's just simple music made for simple people, and unfortunately that includes most of the population

he looks os sexy!!!

http://www.basshunter.se/basshunter.htm

even on wikipeida

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basshunter

Hmmm sorry to say i agree with Chris.

I'd love to think that people who attend Bass Hunter would start heading to dance clubs and listening to decent music, but im reasonably sure that wouldnt happen.

They attend Bass Hunter becusae they heard it when they were at Shooters, listening 91ZM/Edge or watching the music video...they arent about to say "hey i enjoyed it cos it had a 4/4 kick drum i wonder if i would like all music with a kickdum but perhaops with less vocals, less obvious meldoies, half the speed and at 3 am in some dark, dirty nigthclub that none of my usual buddies ever go to" Not likely.

Now...Seb you can answer this question..you've run a number of massive nitrates over the years...lets take one from 3 years ago...and im just assuming you ran one 3 years ago that was massive (im pretty confident you did) what was the average age...lets say it was 14-15...three years later are they all flocking to the clubs?...hmm i havent noticed a 1000 strong infiltration of cute little 18 year old girls (and less cute boys) running round town to dance gigs?? Presumably though yoru gigs intro'd a heap of kids into dance music and im not saying that some of them havent started attending gigs either...but Sebs efforts have been huge and his events have massive following so if the regualrs who attend nitrate for 3 years dont make a noticable difference on the numebrs attending dance events...i think its reasonably likely Basshunter wont do much positive...oh and did i mention sebs events played good music so by my calculation those attending should be 10 times more likely to want to go to other good events.

I think the reason is that there is a vast number of factors that lead people to a certain event/club...attending Bass Hunter prob wont be a factor weighty enough to make f*ck all difference.

Oh and Chris...how good was Hernan Cattaneo??!! SOrry i dont recall talkign to you much...i recall very little actually from that night other than it being good.

Oh and feel free to pick holes in my arguement...i wont mind.

Where u looking SOL Square is full of them lol

Good points raised here...

The thing with all-age events is that people buy a ticket and generally have no other options, so they stay at the event all night. Once they turn 18 then all the other factors weigh in...who's got the cheapest drinks? Where do all my friends want to go? What bar looks busiest?

Nitrate has done an incredible job of raising the profile of dance music in ChCh, and for many young people this has been their first exposure to dance music. Christchurch has a weird culture in nightlife, which stems back to the late 1980s and early 1990s, but we have to keep pushing to change things. That's part of what DJing is all about--promoting the best new music to people, so its good that these debates continue.

Basshunter probably won't have any impact on dance music popularity in Christchurch, because most of the people who go will not make the connection between his brand of pop music and the more sophisticated styles out there.

Just my 2 cents!

Dance music will only ever have a commercial impact when you have top notch producers being played on the radio or C4/ MTV regularly.
Last time that happen was about 10 years ago. On the cheese end you had Sash!, but at the same time you had the likes of Chicane, BT, Fatboy Slim and the Chem bros having huge commercial success all at the same time.
Only when this happens do you see a shift in the public opinion and interest in this type of music.

Yes, Bass hunter opens the doors to this music, but with no quality producers that have connections to the more underground (if you will) aspect of this music, people won't know where to go or whom to search out to find more of this music.

I don't recall crazy frog really changing the face of dance music either!

hell no he he that has happened with a lot of tunes Aqua, etc they never made lollyopo lovers love hard dance or any type of other cultural related dance music - as Maestro pointed out they will still go to the strip to find more op music, cheap drinks and young girls and boys to pray on

I have noticed that the dance scene in Chch, only reflecting to the days of Unity etc that the majority of people are 27 +

That's *if* you could call what we have here in ChCh a "dance scene".

I definately agree, Base's average age would be 27+ (even 30+??) but have you been to a dubstep or DnB gig lately? Average age would be 18-25... young kids with disposable income, wanting to get loaded, following the pack.

Will Basshunter + Smashproof pack out the Westpac? Well will depend on how many giveaways The Edge do (2-3000 maybe?) which would encourage their friends to buy tickets. Also if Basshunter & Smashproof are even one the charts in 5 months time!

Most lively topic on Subsonic for the last 12 months FTW!!

Interesting mix of performers..

I wrote a really long detailed reply.

Biggie removed as I posted it. Gay. Here a briefer version.

Nitrate = yay, most we talk to are into the music and many do eventually come back to dance parties. We were successful because we made Nitrate "cool" in our demographic.

Turn 18 = cheap piss, Cover charge? NO THANKS! I WANT BOOZE! Honestly, trying to convince a 18 year old (even a good friend) to spend $5 to goto Concrete or Base on a Saturday night isn't worth the effort.

Interesting revelation second post round = Capital is RAMMED, every Thursday, Friday, Saturday with 18 - 22 year olds. No cover charge. Looking around I'd estimate 50% had attended a Nitrate in the past.

DNB = Turn 18, you wana be cool and bad ass you goto DNB gigs. Talking to some of the DnB promoters, even they'll admit half their audience don't have a clue what's going on music wise. Call it Drum'n'Bass and play electro, the commercial crowd (sometimes the majority) wouldn't have a clue. True story, I played a Wise gig a few years ago at Double Happy 2 - 3am, packed the floor with a full on electro set it was fully branded DnB.


My comment above = solely made on my own personal experience. I wouldn't be here without Scooter or the Vengaboys (semi-true story). If Bass Hunter makes even one young DJ who does good for the scene then awesome.


Right, I had more. May post later. Yay, for constructive talk on Subsonic though... Hopefully it lasts more than one thread.

Classic Antz...totally if you could call it a dance scene...its barely that imo.

You've got base totally wrong tho pal...when did you last go there? From 11pm - 2am there wouldn't be anyone over 20 (except for staff) its insanely young...Batchy plays commercial electro e.t.c....soon as 2am rolls round...they pretty much all leave and go home....and then yes ave age is prob 30+...its very weird to watch actually.

I dont know i agree on the dnb age...i pretty much end up in Double Happy almost every weekend after playin somewhere else...i dont know that its that younger crowd....maybe for the big gigs...i vaguely recall some youngish at Klute...but every time im at double happy it seems bout same age as base just a totally dif demographic.

Re...my base comment...thats how a sat goes...not necessarily a friday.

Seb thats classic re. Dnb playing electro...gold!

Crowds are quite funny all round. Changing the subject a little a couple of funny stories.
One night, big gig at Civic, a couple of slightly tipsy (ok pissed) chicks in the loos... Gushing over the dj that was playing at that moment.. omg omg omg he's sooo cute, he's gorgeous!!!! Looking at me with my camera, said "oh you'd know, who is the guy playing right now??" Looking at them with distain (yes i'll even admit, snobbish distain) oh thats no one, its just Marc Vedo"

Second one, the chickies all adoringly dressed with their K-90 t-shirts... I took them aside and said I would have to get a photo of them and Mark. Several confused sets of eyes looked back, til someone finally said "Who's Mark???"

Vengaboys!!! lol must admit Scooter, Ultra Sonic, Dye Witness, 2 Unlimited, The Grid, all changed me once I had experiened a real rave and made me wana get itno Djing

must admit now that yeah I thort Basshunter single was ok to start with - a good intro to semi good dance music but with the over playing I soon was sick of it

there is a lot fo good dance talent that comes from Sweden - and plenty of hot chicks

At the end of the day, Basshunter is pop music disguised as Dance music - so yeah this might get more people eventually into dance music? who knows, the people who would listen to basshunter are probably still at a age where they wouldn't be into proper dance music anyways.

Some of the first DJ's i really liked were quite cheesy, eg sash!

HaHaHa even i have to laugh at that one.

you were mashed
i didnt actually stay downstairs too long, mission to move around and all. dice was awesome.

" yo D! Yo Dice you still in the building!? Yeah man I'm still here!"

Sorry but have you got anything other than anecdotal stories to base that on?

Didn't think so.

Just because many of us heard some crappy dance music years ago, found it interesting, investigated, and went on to get into it does not mean this is the status quo.

As someone has said most people going to this gig have heard it on ZM and are going with their friends because they want to be cool and dance music is like so totally alternative man and I've had it on my ipod since forever cos I am so fucken cutting edge.

I also need to mention that I'm not saying that all the people that follow the dance scene are in it strictly for the music, many people are in it to be 'cool'. Heck maybe even some people in this forum are all about the coolfactor.

My biggest fear with this kind of gig is that people who are into music in general might think that it is representative of dance music and develop a negative bias towards dance music.

I can think of a couple of guys I work with who I have heaps of musical taste in common with and yet if I mention electronic music they immediately tell me it is rubbish and roll around laughing whilst they imagine me dancing up a storm to scooter. Maybe if they had met 'real' dance music first they might actually like it!

Now if this little diatribe of mine doesn't make sense it is because I've been watching the telly and writing in the ads.

My personal prediction by the way it that it will crash and burn, the only people that will go will be whatever promo tickets they give away.

What does Cool mean? (in the context of what you said yeeeha) ? ?

Seb, nice work on the self-plug.

p.s. Cyan the Edge are not the promoter they are a sponsor, I want to know who is lurking behind this as in the person (promoter) who signed the contract and said "I will put this on at Westpac!"

Nice to see your awake everyone
As you were.

I think that the anecdote is quite common amongst most people I know, their love for dance music came from the origins of liking crap commerical music when they were younger. I'd be hard-pushed to find someone who first heard "real" dance music and thought "oh I like this" - like your friends at work they'll be laughing their heads off at the thought of dancing to it!

If Basshunter can pack-out 8000 people at the Westpac Arena, and if only 5% of them go on to enter the dance scene... then sweet!!

I know if Darude came an visited 10 years ago, I probably would've gone!

Okay so I have a few friends who dont listen to dance music well didnt til I use what I call the simple steps to guide them in the right direction.

1.play them commercial dance music that they know the words to eg. day n night or basshunter which is still being blasted on the radio.

2.Tell them that the dance music I like is similar.

3.Oragnise a night out somewhere still in their comfort zone eg. Liquidity.

4.After they trust you, take them somwhere else eg. de ja vu this sunday. Then when they realise how much better and fun the crowd is at such club nights and how the club doesn't close at the lock down time.. they come back.

So there is a combo of commercial music and the whole pack mentality. But there is no way they would have come with me or wanted to without already having a small idea of what dance music is and liking the commercial stuff.

And if anyone thinks that is bullcrap come alond Sunday and I will be there with my 7 person strong group of girls maybe more if the others get jealous of us all going out.

Just one persons opinion, method and proof.

Still dont think Basshunters music will pack out the westpac lol.

gees pretty heavy conversation going on here, maybe if your not so arrangant you'd get more people at ya gigs! Dicks.

Hmmm, not the most rational contribution to a serious discussion Wongie. But hey, let's bite: 300+ people at DeJaVu, usually between 200-300 people at Audiodreams, 1000+ people at Nitrate events, a good couple hundred people at the PulzarFM launch at Liquidity, and 300+ people at MASSIVE events.

There are plenty of people coming to gigs, and its up to the people putting on events to carefully consider the direction and quality of dance music. It's not arrogance--rather, its a dialogue based on experience and knowledge of music. If we didn't talk about these things there'd be nothing but cheap pop music out there. Sure, there's a place for pop electronica, but there is also a place for more sophisticated sounds. That's why we do the things we do.

Wow..... Enlightening. So thats the secret! If your not arrangant (still not 100% sure what arrangant means though) you sell out gigs.... Ok.

Basshunter = Dirty chav music for greasy haired asbo's driving round supermarket carparks in ''extreme'' vauxhall corsa's.

Oh and just for laughs heres the Scooter lyrics for your visual pleasure:

Uncore, Hardcore
Rock you down to the floor
Posse saw ya on the border
Jungle jumper under order
Every minute, every hour, got the power
Take a shower, brand stuff
Screaming Lord, wicked and tough

I've got the money
I've got the place
You've got the figure
You've got the face
Let's get together
We're jumping all over,
all over the world

I've got the music
I've got the lights
You've got the figure
Full of delights
Let's get together
We're jumping all over,
all over the world

I've got position
I've got the name
You've got the power
To drive me insane
Let's get together
We're jumping all over,
all over the world

I've got the money
I've got the place
You've got the figure
You've got the face
Let's get together
We're jumping all over,
all over the world

I must be well out of the loop, never even herd of the dude.

Robbie is right about one thing, lots of different factors get people to gigs and for better or worse sometimes the music is pretty much secondary to everything else.

But really in regards to crowds quality over quantity imo. You gota pay the bills but a shit load of people does not equal a wicked night unless they are the right people.

Why you'd want to tell anyone how much cash you walked away with at the end of the night is beyond me... WTF!!!

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Massive tune...did you hear him play it?

Cool as defined in my context - respected by and looked up to by one's peers.

Cyan, where's your big gloat about the HUGE revenue your party generated disappeared to?

Have you spent it all yet?

Hell no - or perhapos my take my lovly girl out for dinner and buy my beautiful daughter something in the weekend

have u got an itch mate/ - go an see the doc not subsonic

Where's my shot of Jager???

AAAAAhhhhh Classic! . . . nice to see good 'ol subsonic's friendly banter is still goin on.

Stay tuned for the return of the Lummox . . .

. . . by the way, yes I DO think Basshunter is seriously ambitious. Sureley they could have gotten a less crap commercial dance "act" and probably get more people. Most of the better ones are prob in the northern hemisphere for the summer mind.

haha i told him to and he played it basically straight away!

No shit...really?..thats pretty cool...

Edge announcing another support band tomorrow - hmmm

sounds like the concert guna be a biggie or that may be just the wayt radio promoting it

meh was only some hip hop band i never heard of - but then again I don't follow that music so unsure who trhey are

Can't wait to see how many people they get, will be very interesting indeed! Tickets are not cheap for the kids.

I think I heard it was smashproof. they probably have quite a big following considering their single brother broke the being number 1 for consecutive weeks record.

it was 3OH!3 announced to play

who are they

lol.

No idea

I love 30h3! hahah actually going now. mean !! will tell everyone how it goes.

smashproof boys are all good, be worth just seeing them

I'm going too.
Have had the orders from my son

Fuck yeah, I'm actually considering it just to see 3OH!3. Basshunter will still get the boycott though.