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I know it's a fair while away yet, but fuck I'm excited about this Smile

No Warne, no McGrath == South African victory Very Happy
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AMPING for this to start. Eight days before the start of the first Test.

Smith / McKenzie = Arguably the best opening pair in world cricket right now.
Amla = Really making this his spot, moved his average from 29 to 41 in the last 2 season.
Kallis = Struggling but you can't keep this man down, at some point he will dominate Aus and this series will be it.
Prince = Never liked him Neutral but so solid these days.
de Villiers = Love this boy! Smallest in the team and hits some of the biggest sixes around!
Boucher = Best keeper no doubt!
Morkel = Young / Fast with a lot to prove.
Harris = Finally a spinner that troubles people!
Ntini = Solid as a rock, been in some bad form but getting back into it.
Steyn = Going to DESTROY the top order.


That is a pretty solid team right there!

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*Re-Action* said:
Steyn = Going to DESTROY the top order.


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With a busto hammy?


If Steyn is unable to play @ full strength, I hereby reduce SA's chances of a series victory by 45%
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Lookin' forward to seeing what Steyn can do on those Aussie pitches.

Go the Saffers Smile
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The Maestro said:

With a busto hammy?


If Steyn is unable to play @ full strength, I hereby reduce SA's chances of a series victory by 45%


He is fine, niggly problem that he picked up playing the Bangers. They are just being carefull more than anything!

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Well I hope for your sake you are right, as I see the rest of the saffa attack being little more penetrative than NZ's without Steyn. I don't know much about Morkel but Ntini and Harris will be largely ineffective in Australia I think.

Pretty sure SA will score reasonably consistant totals of around 350....its their bowling that worries me



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It's the Australian bowling attack that looks weak to me Maestro Froggy
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Morkel is going to be a very valuable bowler to us. Tall and very fast Smile

Ntini Smile well since he started losing some pace he worked on his bowling action and started to deliver closer to the wickets to bring the LBW into play more. That didnt work for him so against Banglasdesh he again started bowling from wide of the stumps taking 14 wickets at just over 2 runs an over in 2 Tets. Dont think for one minute he is not going to rip into Aus. He loves it out there ...

Steyn is a massive part of our attack but it doesnt end with him.

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IMO

As much as i would like the Saffa's to win, i think they will choke as always. Graeme Smith will once again be found out against quality pace, Harris will do little, he does not have the control to change his gameplan if he gets hit around, and though he bowls the odd pearler delivery, i dont rate his thinking game, though Aussie have an unproven spin attack, so even points there. The Saffa middle to top order is definately the strong point, i really rate Amla and Prince in Test matches, but then again, so is Australia'a, and Ricky needs runs baby, so watch out!
All in all i think the teams are relatively even in terms of ability, with Aus maybe a little ahead in the batting, but i believe the Saffa mental game is as weak as it always has been, and they will get dominated by the inferiority complex that Australia seem to bring out in them, plus the Aussie sledging is smarter. South Africans have a reputation of being easy to wind up in the middle, and i see only Amla, Prince and Kallis out of this group having the potential not to lose focus and try proving a point at the wrong time. The rest = flip top heads Smile
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Legends will be born this series, hater :>
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if Steyn plays and is on form, it'll be a tight series, maybe with an edge to the Saffas... but that's probably best case scenario... the aussies don't give up a home test series easily, no matter how weak they are... they've still got some damn good players... even if their attack is weak, they can bat out a long time if they have to...

but I agree with Jason.. if it comes down to mind games, south africa will lose... they're already talking themselves into the "this should be easy" mind set... then when it's harder than they thought, they'll start crying (watch for the Smith head shake)
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IMO your O sucks Jason Smile pretty simple. You are comparing apples with pears. Have you been paying any real attension to this SA side?

Anyway the boys will do the talking in the Test arena ... nuff said!

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You and Jason sitting in the same hot box Mutant?

Show me ONE artical where SA is thinking this is going to be easy. If anything they said this is their best chance ever to win a test series and I agree. They have won 8 from the last 8 Test series and drawn against the same Indian side that just whipped Aussies ass in India Neutral

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Despite the changes to Australia's squad, Smith said they "are certainly not ready to be taken". "In these conditions they are certainly going to be a huge challenge for any team," he said. "If we can earn the victories and play our brand of cricket it would be wonderful to be the first [South African] team to win [a series in Australia]."


Neutral I can see how you get Smith thinking they already won from that!

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i just want aussie to win so we can compare the blackcaps to the proteas.

Simply for wind up purposes

Mr. Green Wink Razz Froggy
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It won't be much of a wind up given that you lot haven't won a test series against a decent opposition in donkey's years :>
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at least we've won a series in Aus before
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gummi_bear said:
It won't be much of a wind up given that you lot haven't won a test series against a decent opposition in donkey's years :>


You lot?

You're free to go "home" whenever you want.

Oh, that's right, RSA is a crime-ridden, AIDS-infested shithole that you and the other jaapies abandoned, but you still continue to love it despite treating it with disdain. Absolute hypocrisy.

"Yeah baby, although I'm fucking someone else, I still love you."

Nice logic :>
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I can always count on you Vadz Very Happy
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Fucken sweet stat for anyone going into a series against Aus.

SA Top 6 Average for 2008 - CLICK HERE!!

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2 more sleeps Very Happy

Also, Stuart Clark is out. From memory, he really troubled SA batsmen last series.
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1 sleep Very Happy

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Team news

The once stable Australia have not fielded the same side in consecutive Tests for the past 11 matches and that will stretch to 12 games in Perth. Nathan Hauritz, who was a surprise inclusion in the Adelaide Test against New Zealand, is back on state duty and Jason Krejza will make his long-awaited second Test appearance. Krejza burst onto the scene with 12 wickets on debut in Nagpur but was overlooked in Brisbane before injuring his ankle in the lead-up to the Adelaide Test. He won his spot ahead of Shane Watson as Australia were wary of making the same mistake as last year in taking four fast bowlers into the Perth Test, although the pitch is expected to be livelier this year.

Australia 1 Matthew Hayden, 2 Simon Katich, 3 Ricky Ponting (capt), 4 Michael Hussey, 5 Michael Clarke, 6 Andrew Symonds, 7 Brad Haddin (wk), 8 Brett Lee, 9 Jason Krejza, 10 Mitchell Johnson, 11 Peter Siddle.

The coach Mickey Arthur said there would be no surprises in the South African side, which features one of the most imposing batting line-ups in world cricket. Mark Boucher suffered a minor sprain to the medial ligament of his left ankle during the warm-up game but will play and there are no other injury concerns. The only doubt was whether the spinner Paul Harris would be included ahead of a fourth fast bowler, perhaps Lonwabo Tsotsobe, who impressed in both tour matches. Arthur said Tsotsobe was not out of the reckoning for a Test debut but it was shaping up as a match where they would feel the need to field a specialist spinner.

South Africa (probable) 1 Graeme Smith (capt), 2 Neil McKenzie, 3 Hashim Amla, 4 Jacques Kallis, 5 Ashwell Prince, 6 AB de Villiers, 7 Mark Boucher (wk), 8 Morne Morkel, 9 Paul Harris, 10 Dale Steyn, 11 Makhaya Ntini.


Pitch and conditions

The appropriately named WACA has always delighted fast bowlers with its prodigious pace, bounce and carry. The pitches have become less spicy in recent years but there has been a return to the more traditional fast Perth surfaces in the domestic competition this season. The curator Cameron Sutherland is much happier with this year's pitch than that used in last season's Test, when the familiar zip was missing. There is likely to be a green tinge and although it might favour the fast men early, if batsmen can get set there are big scores on offer thanks to the pace off the bat and the quick outfield. Spinners should not be under-rated at the WACA, where the Fremantle Doctor blows across the ground and helps create drift, while the bounce can be just as useful for a quality slow man as for his seam-up colleagues.


Stats and Trivia

The WACA hosted its first Test in 1970-71 and since then the Gabba has been the only one of Australia's major five grounds at which Australia have a better winning percentage. In Perth they have won 20 of 35 Tests.
Five of the 11 leading run scorers in Tests in 2008 are South Africans. Jacques Kallis is the only one of their top six for this match not on the list. Australia's leading batsman, Ricky Ponting, is eighth.
South Africa have won one of their 12 Tests in Australia in the post-Apartheid era. The sole success came at the SCG in 1993-94, when Fanie de Villiers demolished Australia for 111 chasing 117 in the fourth innings.


Quotes

"It's very fair to say we've had the wood over them for a long time in both forms of the game and particularly probably in bigger moments in series, whether it be World Cup semi-finals or whether it be Test series."
Ricky Ponting reminds South Africa of their record against Australia

"Australia have earned the right to be respected. They've got some class players but if you look at the stats their bowling attack is very different to the last one we played on home soil."
Graeme Smith hopes the problems his team has experienced against Australia in the past will not be repeated



http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/ausvrsa2008_09/content/story/382368.html

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woot, looking forward to some good cricket today! Go cricket!
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Jason George said:
woot, looking forward to some good cricket today! Go cricket!


Werd!
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Amping for this to start ... but ... Crying or Very sad 5 more hours!

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3:30pm start innit?


Anyone know which sky sports channel it's on?
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SkySport 2 from 3pm Very Happy

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Crap. Sad
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Gummi's got the key to his mates apartment. We can all go crash there!

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What a start!!
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Few nerve balls to start the over and then BOOOOM!

Ntini showing his experience coming around the wicked when he couldn't get that line right.

Steyn looks a little nervous, he needs a couple of overs to settle I think.

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Needed that wicked for Steyn. Its all on now.

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GET THAT IN YA YOU AUSSIE FUCKS! :>
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Hussey and Ponting out for ducks, unheard of!!!
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If Clarke goes cheaply they are in BIG trouble...
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Shocked Embarassed
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GO AUSTRALIA
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an awesome day of cricket, 340 runs in a day is fucking superb, Aus 9 down is pretty good for the Saffa's, really looking forward to today. Test cricket at its finest imo.
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though the Saffas need to learn what to do when they are on top, Smith seemed a bit lost at times, and resorted to defensive tactitics.
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Nah I think it was good. Very equal after day 1 and its going to be pretty hard for SA on this pitch for the next couple of days. Its going to be much faster and bouncier than it was yesterday and its going to be just our luck that they will get more swing then the SA bowlers. Good times ahead ...

Last Test SA played in Perth we batted for 2 days to save a Test that was all going the Aussies way so lets hope we can go one better!

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Honestly I dont know what you saffas see in Harris, how he even got 2 wickets is beyond me. He looks like a county cricketer. All the other bowlers impressed me though.... except Jacque who seemed to be going through the motions

Pretty big day for the rest of the series today, if South Africas top order crumbles then it will likely set the tone...heres hoping they are like 300-1 with Smith 174* *at the end of the day tho Very Happy
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How fast was Steyn bowling yesterday?
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Fastest he send down was 151km/h.

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Duck, duck, goose?
"I'd be surprised if Ntini gets anywhere near the 140 mark to tell you the truth," Ricky Ponting said on the eve of the Test. He was asked how Australia felt about facing up to three fast men who might clock over 150kph. Certainly Makhaya Ntini isn't as quick as he was in his younger days but Ponting didn't hang around long enough to really find out as he edged his first delivery from Ntini to slip.


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The Maestro said:
Honestly I dont know what you saffas see in Harris, how he even got 2 wickets is beyond me. He looks like a county cricketer...


I'd never seen him bowl before and was quite impressed to be honest Razz

He's tall, gets a bit of purchase on the ball and bowled a few screamers yesterday -- one that beat Clarke's bat and fizzed over the top of middle stump comes to mind.

He also looks like Dolph Lundgren, which makes him extra awesome :>
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*Re-Action* said:
Fastest he send down was 151km/h.

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Deace!
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dalai said:

Deace!


To be honest I hope Aus can stay in for about 6 overs today so that I can see what Steyn gets up to. Going to be much faster out there today Very Happy Lee will def be a handfull. We won't see Steyn again until the 4th day.

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Here we go boys Very Happy

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Didn't realise Morkel was actually a 150Km/h bowler! He will get faster in the next or so season as well!

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:>>>
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Epic couple of sessions coming up :>
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Aussies def getting more swing here than what we did.

Amla looking good and hoping that Graeme doesn't worry to much about not getting his shots away!

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Amla is very impressive so far.

I just hope Smith's elbow isn't going to hinder him too much. I don't mind that he's going slowly; he's the type of player who can make up for it once he gets comfortable out there Smile
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Worried about Smith, he is looking really good with the bat but if he fucks that elbow we are going to struggle without him!

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BOOM! BOOM!

Hope Kallis can save the match
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Save the match? Its the 2nd day dude Neutral

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how have you managed to get Duminy back in the team?
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Who else would you use?

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Also what do you mean get him back in? This is his test debut. He averages over 50 in first class games.

Ntini broke Princes finger in the nets on Tuesday!

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Excellent last few hours! Very Happy
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CHOKE
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yeah, that was fun to watch
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My last post totally jinxed 'em Crying or Very sad
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magic, johnson
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pwnt. What a spell, he totally out thought the batting line up. Looks like Saffa will be batting for 2 days to save the game.
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Certainly the number 1 left arm fast bowler in world at the moment.
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*Reaction* looks like my late night texts werent so drunken/foolish ? Wink


What I was needling poor RA about when SA were like 220-3 is that while Jacque and AB were going well they needed to be cos the current safa line up has quite possibly the looooongest tail in world cricket ATM (a mantle previously held by the WI, for like, forever)

His retort is that 1-7 does the job and the rest just bowl fast which is a fair enough response with those class acrts up there Smith, Kallis etc. However when the top OR middle order DOES crumble it pretty much means there is a zero chance of recovery/fightback from teh lower order. Def a weakness
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nacoa said:
Certainly the number 1 left arm fast bowler in world at the moment.


no way, Franklin owns him!
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def missed Prince as well, and yeh, pretty spot on Maestro.
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nacoa said:
Certainly the number 1 left arm fast bowler in world at the moment.


he's getting there, is game has evolved significantly over the last couple of years, and as i have stated previously on this forum, he has X factor.
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Jason George said:
def missed Prince as well, and yeh, pretty spot on Maestro.


Well actually Maestro said that I prob wished that SA had NZ's tail and to be honest I wouldn't want NZ's opening batsmen in our tail so no he wasn't spot on. Did turn the story to make him look better though Smile

What a spell from MJ Neutral bit of a brain explosion from SA there as well. I hope we can score at least 40-50 more runs. Giving Aus a 130 run lead with more 3 days to play is MURDER. Done it before and got out but def not something you want to be making a habbit off.

All up I'm not to worried yet. I will be worried when we chase 500+ (NEVER) with 6 sessions to go.

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Johnson > entire jaapie lineup

DO NEVER
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Mutant said:
nacoa said:
Certainly the number 1 left arm fast bowler in world at the moment.


no way, Franklin owns him!


hope this is sarcasm??

Laughing Laughing Laughing

Love the way he gets late swing on an old ball Smile
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Aussies lowest total in the last 4 years (all out) is 199 Neutral lets hope the boys can do better!

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How quickly can Boucher knock a 50 out here Very Happy

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I give SA roughly 17% chance to win from here ...hopefuly they will show up better in the 2nd test :/
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We will chase down anything sub 400 Wink people will talk about this game for many years to come!

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Jacque makes a fool of me by coming back in the 2nd innings strong Laughing I heard he was hitting 140? Pretty remrkable from the old boy whose bowling showed signs of waning in pace and bite like 3 years ago


One thing that concerns me about what we have seen so far is the much vaunted SA pace attacks inability to knock over a pretty ordinary Aussie tail Neutral

Id like to think SA can make a game of it but it looks like this wicket is going to deterioate very quickly
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unable to understand wtf Smith is up to. Why did Steyn not get the ball yet with instructions to bowl it straight and at the new guys feet Neutral

getting spanked now!

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The Maestro said:
a pretty ordinary Aussie tail Neutral




Ok a trolls a troll but that's just plain terrible. Laughing
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??? Im not trolling


Brett Lee at 8? How is it so terrible to describe the aussie tail as "pretty ordinary" if an utterly flakey batman like Lee heads them? Sure they have done well in this test but I stand by my description. It might be debatable...I dont even know those guys averages.... but it is very far from "an awful troll"

Perhaps you are just trying to create a smoke screen to cover your awful call that SA would win this series dalai? Yeah thats right mate... I saw that Wink Laughing

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unable to understand wtf Smith is up to. Why did Steyn not get the ball yet with instructions to bowl it straight and at the new guys feet


+ one that there has been a distinct lack of aggro directed at the tail enders from the fast men. Think Steny and Morkel round the wicket and into the rib cage at least needed to be tried. Having watched Harris a little more closely I am warming to him a bit, but he shouldnt be bowling so much to the tail and certainly not tail and someone looking to wog quick runs ie Haddin. Sure he got stumped but who else saw those big sixes coming a mile off

Haddin is starting to look good and we can blame NZs pop gun attack for that Mad

BTW...I cant think of a better catcher in world cricket of a screaming cricket ball bullet than AB de Villiers. Its astonishing what he holds onto

1/2 wickets down by COP plse
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Its funny but it did look like you were trolling but then its clear now that you just dont know.

MJ avg is 25 in Tests after 15 tests. Krejza is avg over 20 in First Class games. Lee avg over 20 in Tests so its arguable that they now have one of the best tail in world cricket Wink Def some of the best avg for bowlers.

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The averages, 50's, 100's and highest scores of the Aussie "tail" for you Maestey.


Brett Lee 20.41, 5, 0, 64
Jason Krejza 17.75, 0, 0, 32
Mitchell Johnson 22.53, 1, 0, 50*
Peter Siddle 14.50, 0, 0, 23


That's the current 8, 9, 10, 11, so their current #10 averages more than Jamie How. When you take into account their other normal tailenders:

Shane Watson 19.76, 1, 0, 78
Stuart Clark 13.12, 0, 0, 39


That's no shit tail. There's no Chris Martins in their batting line up, every single batsman can stay in for a bit and get a decent score. Best shown when they can hang around with a top order player and allow them to score without worry like Haddin today. It's the difference between scoring 350/400 and 500+. I can't be bothered looking it up but I'd be interested to see what the average Australian scores are between 6 for and all out just to see how much they add to the total on average. Especially in the last few years.


Yeah I made that call, I'll stand by it too, I reckon they've got their best chance in a long time to beat the Aussies at home. Smith is a concern though, I didn't realise until watchin the game today just how much he's restricted by that elbow injury he's carrying. SA really need him to get runs for them to succeed. Prince needs to be in the side too. Also what's the deal with Steyn? He doesn't seem to be at full fitness either?
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Krejza and Siddle's average are current (I worked it out cos bothe are only in their second games), Lee's and Johnson's are from before the current game.
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MJ aside who appears competent

1) 20 is not a great average for a number 8 from a decent sample

2) 2 tests is not a decent sample

3) This arguement is flawed/a misunderstanding because you 2 are taking my use of the word "ordinary" from a street slang perpective (for lack o a better term) Froggy ....I mean it literally. As in...if the SA pace attack is all that, why cant they knock over your standard test cricket tail. Possibly poor choice of words by me anyway

Happy for my comment to be described as debatable, maybe even obv slightly innaccurate....but not a mad troll Embarassed

4) Jamie How and Chris Martin are obv terrible performers @ tets level, dont use extreme and largely irrelevant cases to stack your arguement plse

5) Fer gawds sakes.... how many times are we going to hear "South Africa have their best chance in a long time to beat Australia!" Neutral

Theyve had a million of them and they always fail. South Africa are the school yard bully of world cricket who love to look unbeatable pounding out 3-zip series victories against piddly test nations like us and WI. There is no fucking way Aust is weak enough to give off enough weak signals for the blood thirsty yaya's to get excited about. = no fucking way will they win this series
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Check out this article from cricinfo Maestey.

http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/380792.html


It's about how crap our batting is but at the bottom of the article it has a runs per wicket of top and lower order comparisons between all countries in the last 2 years. Which lower order has the highest runs per wicket average?

Australia with 19.87.

Next best is Sri Lanka with 17.84 and worst is West Indies with 12.58. Interestingly South Africa is third worst with 14.38.
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dalai said:
Which lower order has the highest runs per wicket average?

Australia with 19.87.


Yeah, but how many of these current guys played in those matches? You've got two guys in there who're brand new.... At any rate, I would be pretty disappointed if I was a SA fan at the bowling performance... pace is usually the best thing for knocking over a tail, and SA supposedly have one of the best (if not the best) fast bowling attacks in the world

I will be very impressed if SA win from here. It's the sort of total good sides should chase down these days (yes, I know it's hardly ever been done, but run chases seem to be getting easier in recent times). But if they're true to form, they'll choke.
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Mutant said:
two guys in there who're brand new....



And their averages are above. I doubt it would affect the runs per wicket average much at all. If you've watched this game then you would have seen that they are far from bunnies. Krejza especially looks more than competent.

This tail wags pretty strong. SA & NZ aren't the only ones to struggle knocking them off. India, England etc have all struggled.

I just think some of y'all are being a bit harsh.


In any case, SA looking quite good right now. If they can get through to the end of play only losing one more wicket max, then they're gotta feel good coming out to bat on the last day.
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By the way, I notice a lack of South Africans posting in here right now. They've obviously been bitten too many times to get too confident this far out heh.


268 runs to win, 9 wickets remaining. Looks like they're gonna play through to midnight our time so plenty of time left to play...
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Century to Smith! Is this Edgbaston all over again?
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By the way, I notice a lack of South Africans posting in here right now. They've obviously been bitten too many times to get too confident this far out heh.


I have no idea what you're talking about Dale Embarassed
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Ah well, Smith did well. Was a great ball that got him.
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Yeah, am very impressed by Johnson (the cunt Razz)
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Well well well. 91 overs left, 187 runs to win, 7 wickets in hand...





Gonna be a real interesting last day...
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too close to call really.... the first hour tomorrow is so important
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Really looking forward to watching this later today. Could be an epic finish.
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too close to call really.... the first hour tomorrow is so important



It'll be more than that. Once they get throught getting their eye in over that first hour, the new ball will be due...

That first session is going to decide the match.
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Sorry for not posting enough Dale :p I thought that I might get out there and watch the game but ill make sure Im home today and post about teh game Very Happy

Im feeling pretty good about it all (wink) time for Kallis to show us how good he is!

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harvey said:
Really looking forward to watching this later today. Could be an epic finish.


not epic at all... easy Razz