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Now given I am not in NZ at present so reports might be a bit distorted, but...

From what I hear, opening night was a bit of a disaster with trains not working, ferries cancelled, people hit by a bus, police having to fish people out of the harbour, disgruntled fans jumping off stationary trains and walking down the tracks, viaduct area not coping with crowds, families crushed in the crowds etc etc...

Dose this sound like a 'super city' to you?

Hopefully this is a wakeup to the govt and local council that Auckland infrastructure is well below par, and is no where near suitable yet to host such large events.

given that there are expected to be a few problems, but I would be mighty pissed if I was one of the fans, with tickets to the opening match, that wasn't able to make it due to Auckland's poor transport system failing the city once again.
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well it was great if you are the sort of person who enjoys chaos, confusion and anarchy Very Happy

but yeah ... all very predictable i guess
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fuck, I love chaos and anarchy Sad
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yeah, a mate missed the opening ceremony because he was walking to the stadium from eden park cause the trains weren't going.
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WoW your friend must be pretty stupid ...

Music
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neil_armstrong said:
he was walking to the stadium from eden park


Well at least it wasn't a long walk Smile
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Only in the past year or so fish_boy etc have tried to say the notion of our inability to create and manage a decent public transport system is merely cultural cringe and based on myth...

This would be the right time to say: Aha?... right.

We have a rubbish track record at making things work properly. A significant factor in this I think is we still think we can reinvent the wheel every time as if accepting outside help, consultancy or plain learning the lessons others have learned the hard way is somehow not the "Kiwi way".

Having caught hundred, if not thousands, of trains throughout Asia and never had one break down I think it's high time we got past out can-do attitude and matured enough to accept others simply can do some things better than we ever could ourselves. Public transport being a prime example.

But hey... we've only been stuffing around with it for 40-odd years in Auckland... why rush things now?
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Trains breaking down or fans pulling emergency stop handles? If the hatter this could happen anywhere at such an event. Locals should have known better what to expect and planned accordingly. Leaving it to the last minute and then choosing the most congested and inflexible route is a recipe for disappointment. Go where the crowds are and expect a crush. It was written in the runes.
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neil_armstrong said:
yeah, a mate missed the opening ceremony because he was walking to the stadium from eden park cause the trains weren't going.
Not sure why you'd be going from Eden Park for the opening ceremony but you'd need to leave 45 minutes before if you expect to get anywhere on a day where the transport use is more than tripled to get anywhere on time and you can walk that distance in that time. People were catching buses from Morningside to Kingsland on a rammed full bus; it's two stops up the road... People acting like tools pressing emergency stop buttons etc, way to go dicks.
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Epic planning fail from Auckland Transport, why in gods name did they not pedestrianise Queen St and some of the side streets from Mayoral Drive down? With reports of 200,000 people in the CBD the sidewalks were never going to hold that many people so it's no surprise people took over Queen St anyway... atlhough this time with a dangerous mix of drunken revellers and cars still determined to go down the street. Closing Britomart till 5pm was fucking stupid too, as well as having the main party venue right next to the central transport hub, mixing up the two crowds coming to party downtown and those wanting to get to Eden Park. Doesn't help that whole message being put out through the media over the last few weeks was that Party Central and the viaduct was THE place to be on opening night for the game. I barely saw any mention of other venues so why the fuck are they so surprised so many people came into town? Queen's Wharf filled up at 3.22pm FFS! They needed to more big screen TVs, spread out further along Quay St, Aotea Square.. the domain seems like a no brainer for a fan zone too.

Although personally if I was in a queue 500m long to get into Britomart and I had a match ticket I would have made a quick decision to walk.. it's only 4K ffs you can do that in 35minutes if you hustle, and there was plenty of entertainment along the way. Seems like the best way to get to the game to me!

I hope AK Transport and the planners behind the party venues can put learnings into place pretty bloody quickly or the Quarters, Semis and Final will be a total transport clusterfuck.
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Pechora said:
neil_armstrong said:
he was walking to the stadium from eden park


Well at least it wasn't a long walk Smile


fuck, I meant:

had to walk

FROM THE STATION to Eden park....
or
to the stadium from THE STATION

*that's what happens if you stop a sentence half way, cheer about something on the tv, and then continue writing without checking what you just wrote....
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Pretty good summary of events: http://www.aktnz.co.nz/2011/09/10/what-went-wrong-last-night/

Looks like a combination of:
-About 4 times more people using the trains than predicted
-Maximum number of people hitting the city streets, you know, like we were sold
-Seemingly only one single train breakdown, the rest was people pulling the emergency stop
-Then, once people jumped off the train, walking along the fucking tracks
-The ferries having to stop because of too many people on Quay - WELL FUCKING DUH, YOU TOLD EVERYONE TO GO TO PARTY CENTRAL
-Poor crowd control at Britomart
-Should have been on a fucking Saturday, not a Friday where like it or not, people still have to go about their business

Basically, stupid fucking shit. Also I hope the cocksucker Joyce is paying attention. Aucklanders can and will take PT. Although maybe not anymore.....

Looks to me like driving was the way. The roads around uptown were fucking sweet, you could even get carparks on the street! Atmosphere was also fucking awesome, chilled as.

Edit: Oh yeah, and not closing down Queen St was a fucking stupid mistake. Fucking morons.

Now the thing is, all the reviews and all the changes aren't going to mean shit - because next match, people aren't going to fucking bother doing what they are told, they will just drive to the game or not bother with party central.
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Haha Kris.. Reminds me of this article I read about a month ago:

"Transport Minister Steven Joyce said Dr Mees was "completely wrong" about the Government's transport priorities."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10746208
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Typical of Joyce really. World renowned expert in the field offers his educated, informed opinion which anyone with half a brain realises is correct, Joyce insists that he is right and they are wrong. Also ROADS!
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Can't express quite how much i hate that Joyce cunt :/
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As one of the thousands on queen st it just seemed fucking bizzare the Police didn't get that it would have been smart to close it to traffic, instead they allowed vehicles to drive down a road filled with pedestrians
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kris_b said:
Pretty good summary of events: http://www.aktnz.co.nz/2011/09/10/what-went-wrong-last-night/


That's a good read, and a depressingly familiar account of organisational mistake and disaster - where those at the top are completely out of their depth, and in so doing cause massive failure, from which they then excuse themselves. A salient difference in this case, where "operator error" cannot be easily sought as the whipping boy of blame, will be to seek "idiots" and "unpredictable" contingences as a means of excuse.
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It should be a $5k fine instantly for using the emergency stop when there's no emergency, cameras to enforce it, done.
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RobW said:
A significant factor in this I think is we still think we can reinvent the wheel every time as if accepting outside help, consultancy or plain learning the lessons others have learned the hard way is somehow not the "Kiwi way".

I think it's more that the kiwi way is to be a short-sighted cheapskate.
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SEriously what a fucking nightmare... me and my friend got a taxi in from Mt Eden to the absolutely mayhem on Quay Street.. WTFFF seriously what.the.fuck little kids were getting crushed... one of the screens wasn't working hence everyone trying to get on one side of the screen .. omfg.
And then the trains!
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OneHappy said:
As one of the thousands on queen st it just seemed fucking bizzare the Police didn't get that it would have been smart to close it to traffic, instead they allowed vehicles to drive down a road filled with pedestrians



I thought the same thing - couldn't work out why cars were allowed on Queen St Confused
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OneHappy said:
kris_b said:
Pretty good summary of events: http://www.aktnz.co.nz/2011/09/10/what-went-wrong-last-night/


That's a good read, and a depressingly familiar account of organisational mistake and disaster - where those at the top are completely out of their depth, and in so doing cause massive failure, from which they then excuse themselves.


but that's the New Zealand way!
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justhanging said:
OneHappy said:
As one of the thousands on queen st it just seemed fucking bizzare the Police didn't get that it would have been smart to close it to traffic, instead they allowed vehicles to drive down a road filled with pedestrians



I thought the same thing - couldn't work out why cars were allowed on Queen St Confused


Yeah exactly.. it was a stupid idea.. god knows what visitors think of the island peeps I saw screaming out of there people mover at pedestrians.. crazy Auckland sooo crazy.

Embarrasing.

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Yeah town was chaos it was awful. They told everyone to take public transport and not drive, then it fucked up completely. Meanwhile there were about 3 cars on the road... A friend waited over 2 hours to get a train south from britomart, meanwhile it took me 10mins to do that journey from shortland st in a car at the same time (around 10pm).

They closed the bridge connecting Wynyard Qtr and the viaduct too which pissed everyone off. You could leave queens wharf but not get into it, even to pass through. Had to walk the long way around which took foreeeeeeeever through groups of rowdy teens making an effing mess >_<
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I thought the party central was a bit of a let down - half the screens werent working and the sound was different to the picture (showing DD playing and hearing the whaka stuff) Rolling Eyes

Wtf is everyone going on about the train thing? Its not the train company's fault if people kept hitting the emergency brake and the train shuts down - its the stupid idiots who were pullin the emergency brake!

I thought the public transport was awesome, we got a free ride home on the first bus we saw. We were the last to get on the bus and only just made it and it was a major push but it was freeeee. Northern Express rocks!
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minxie said:
You could leave queens wharf but not get into it, even to pass through.


Mmmm? Why would you be passing through Queens Wharf? It doesn't go anywhere.


Further reflection:
-Hilarious that central govt is throwing Auckland authorities right under the bus. What, transport minister and rugby world cup ministers had no input? Certainly, Auckland Transport, Veolia and Len Brown (and Banks too to be fair, a lot of this was planned on his watch remember) have a big chunk of responsibility to bear, but for central government to claim no responsibility is fucked. Hell, it's their fault Auckland's rail system was run down into a dilapidated state through chronic underinvestment over the last 60 years.
-Veolia (private company who runs the train service) has stated that they carried more the 4 times their regular daily patronage, and I'm guessing that was in the space of half the day. Our rail system breaks down all the time with the regular load, let alone 4 times that.
-"These problems were compounded by safety scares, including people riding on the outside of a locomotive, assaults and fights. As well as the five incidents of emergency stop buttons being pressed, a fire extinguisher was fired into a closed carriage." Also saw reports of people walking along the tracks and also THROUGH rail tunnels. Genius. I understand abandoning the train, but once you have people on the tracks, everything has to stop.
-Pushing the stop buttons - well it's easy to say people shouldn't be pressing them, but from the sounds of things people were crammed in, the trains had stopped and weren't moving for some time, no communication at all (something Veolia is notorious for), scared and panicking kids and adults, and poor airflow. Of course people are going to get the fuck out.
-Poor (non-existent) crowd management downtown - certainly, up to twice the number of people expected turned out, but there was clearly no planning for any contingencies.
-Even if only the 50,000 predicted came downtown, it would have still been near impossible for people coming off ferries to disembark, so terrible planning there.
-No queue management outside Britomart (or any station bar Kingsland for return trips), no information (and according to staff, they had nothing to give, they weren't being told anything from on high), and the stupid thing of trying to separate passengers by sending rugby patrons through the main entrance and commuters through the Westpac building entrance. Also CLOSING THE FUCKING STATION until a certain time (5 I think) was just boneheaded.
-Not allowing for Queen St to be closed. DUH.
-Trying to run many events at once. You had a) people going to the game, b) people coming downtown for party central, c) people travelling to see the fireworks d) regular commuter traffic from workers and students. During all the Eden Park trials, ONLY the game was included, and they were mostly on Saturdays IIRC, not regular work days.
-Seemingly not having any real backup plan, and no way of informing the restless crowds waiting for transport of any alternatives.
-Not having any other fanzones open. There are plans for zones at Henderson and various other places, but they aren't in place until the semi-finals I think. Not even any fucking screens around Wynyard, or Aotea, or hell, why not make the domain a family friendly party zone, being that we're used to putting on events for 200,000+ there.

Fact is, everyone did what they were told. They went and partied where they were told (downtown or match), and they took public transport like they were told. And it all fell down, but from what I saw, the vast majority of the crowd had a great time and the atmosphere was fantastic. Hell, around K-Rd once the game was on was almost actually quiet! No cars, no people, you could even get plenty of carparks! Also while we saw numbers like "over 60 arrests" no one noticed the next line from police which was "which is about normal for a Friday night". That's awesome. Fuck, even the Tongan supporters I saw around K-Rd after they lost were still in a great mood. I even saw a group of police getting applause at one point for being good cunts.

The transport fail barely even rated a mention outside NZ media, it's worth remembering that most people actually got to the game. 2000 people who were late or missed out is a tiny percentage of the overall crowd out that night (60k Eden Park and 200k downtown).
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Just* said:
Wtf is everyone going on about the train thing? Its not the train company's fault if people kept hitting the emergency brake and the train shuts down - its the stupid idiots who were pullin the emergency brake!


Yes, but you need to remember the conditions that lead to these things happening. Train stopped in the middle of nowhere, not moving for ages with no communication in packed out carriages with no airflow? Fuck yes I'd be bailing too. Why the hell didn't they at least stop at stations when facing major delays, where people could get out safely and be moved onto buses if need be?
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Also meant to add: we wont see problems of this scale again, because:
- We're not going to see 200,000 people pour into the city to party again, probably not even for the final.
- Those that do, will drive, so we'll swap PT chaos for car chaos.
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kris_b said:
minxie said:
You could leave queens wharf but not get into it, even to pass through.

Mmmm? Why would you be passing through Queens Wharf? It doesn't go anywhere.

I'm getting my downtown vocab all mixed up. I meant viaduct > quay st
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kris_b said:
Just* said:
Wtf is everyone going on about the train thing? Its not the train company's fault if people kept hitting the emergency brake and the train shuts down - its the stupid idiots who were pullin the emergency brake!


Yes, but you need to remember the conditions that lead to these things happening. Train stopped in the middle of nowhere, not moving for ages with no communication in packed out carriages with no airflow? Fuck yes I'd be bailing too. Why the hell didn't they at least stop at stations when facing major delays, where people could get out safely and be moved onto buses if need be?


Ahh ok, I thought they were hitting the emergency brake while the train was going.

Aucklanders should know better than to rely on trains.
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minxie said:
kris_b said:
minxie said:
You could leave queens wharf but not get into it, even to pass through.

Mmmm? Why would you be passing through Queens Wharf? It doesn't go anywhere.

I'm getting my downtown vocab all mixed up. I meant viaduct > quay st


Ahh, so they closed the bridge to stop people going from Wynyard through to the Viaduct and Quay? Makes sense since there was really nowhere for anyone to go, even if you were just passing through.
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Just* said:
Ahh ok, I thought they were hitting the emergency brake while the train was going.

Aucklanders should know better than to rely on trains.


Yeah sounds like it was really a "let me the fuck off" situation.

Sadly, "oh well should know better" is a big cop out, and simply isn't good enough for our biggest city.


Further good reading:
http://transportblog.co.nz/2011/09/11/rwc-transport-fail-and-what-to-do-about-it/
http://blog.greens.org.nz/2011/09/12/dropping-the-ball-on-auckland-transport/
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10751221
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how embarrassing.
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lol Auckland Razz

Needs more Wellington event organization zen
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Auckland's transport system didn't fail - it worked as well as its been designed and funded - ie woefully as can only be expected

to expect underfunded services to deliver anything but unsatisfactory outcomes is quite aspirational, eh

in short this should have been foreseen (and was) and thus managed to not create the clusterfuck that some experienced

needs more 'socialism'
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"RWC rail chaos no surprise with Third World ranking"
http://tvnz.co.nz/rugby-world-cup/rwc-rail-chaos-no-surprise-third-ranking-4398150
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Scenes of rail chaos in Auckland on Friday night back up the findings of the World Economic Forum - it's ranked New Zealand's train system as Third World.

The WEF report into rail infrastructure has seen New Zealand ranked number 47 out of 142 nations - behind Sri Lanka, Tunisia and Azerbaijan.


Auckland World Cup warning two years ago
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/fan-central/5611823/Auckland-World-Cup-warning-two-years-ago
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The Government was told more than two years ago that Auckland's infrastructure was not up to scratch for the Rugby World Cup.
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But Labour says the Government must accept at least some of the blame, because it had received a report from the Auckland Regional Transport Authority on Rugby World Cup transport planning in July 2009.

The report, obtained by Stuff, said at that time there was "an attitude of `this is a small increase in business as usual'."

"The impression is that the level of public transport required for RWC2011 is a little above normal. The levels of patron movement and operational standard [needed for the RWC] are in reality significantly above what is currently delivered."

The Queens Wharf fan zone would "create a number of transport challenges given its close proximity to the Ferry Terminal, Queen Street and Britomart", the report said.

"For an event of this scale, Auckland may not always be able to deliver ultra-high levels of event public transport for all spectators as well as providing normal scheduled public transport."
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"It is simply not good enough for government ministers to blame the Auckland Council. The Rugby World Cup is a project of national importance that has been micro-managed from the Beehive. Now is the time to show some accountability," Mr Twyford said.
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The way the government has shifted responsibility on this is incredible... Neutral

STABBY! Mad
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http://www.aktnz.co.nz/2011/09/13/train-fail-report-a-fail/

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Why isn’t an independent expert running the inquiry into what went so wrong inn Auckland on Friday with transport and the Quay St crush?

The very people who insisted up to the event they had it in hand and could cope with anything are the ones doing the naval gazing.
This would be like having Pike River’s Peter Whittall run the Royal Commission into the mining disaster.

People who lives and breathed this for years and thought they had it right are simply too close to it.

For years this site has complained about the lack of communication from Veolia when things go wrong on the Auckland rail network – often a complete wall of silence.
And last November when U2 concert goers were trapped in crowded carriages and pushed the emergency button, one Australian commented on the post that it was a “total fail -good luck with the RWC.” No lessons were learnt from that event. period.
With Auckland Transport and Veolia cobbling together the report for the Auckland Council tonight, the inquest can only be a once over lightly stating the obvious and not touching the deeper issues that must be answered by someone.
The Government, trying to distance itself madly from any fallout a few months from the election, is anxious to be seen to point the finger entirely at Auckland authorities even though RWC MInister Murray McCully pushed through Queens Wharf being the so called Party Central and parking any more debate about whether suburban Eden Park, not the city, was the suitable place for the matches to be held.

So the report will conclude more buses are needed , Veolia should do better with communication and train overcrowding limits should be enforced instead of cramming on as many people are they could.
But what of the other issues:

-Why did Auckland Transport market the night saying every Aucklander needed a “Game Plan” to get into and out of the city, leaving their car behind and taking trains and buses, assuring people there were additional trains and late night services. There was not a mention in the marketing to expect long delays or realise you might not get a train.
-Yet their planning expected there could be 200,000 people in the CBD
-Why was there no routine crowd control measures such as cordons for people to get in and out of the Ferry terminal when the event was happening around Quay St, and easy egress out of the waterfront areas when people needed to leave or felt claustrophobic?
-What were security staff doing throughout this whole event? I saw a few standing around being staunch but not helpful.
-Why were their no cordons outside the Britomart terminal rather than the rugby scrum that gathered for people trying to get in and why were there no announcements?
-Why was the alarm not rung in people’s heads when trains were packed from early on in the day and it was obvious everyone had heeded the call to go and party and watch the fireworks?
-Why was near anarchy allowed to develop in Queen St and adjacent streets when people flowed on to the road in between the traffic including the over excited Tongan supporters parading up and down the street?
-Why was only Quay St considered to be needed to be closed instead the whole of the waterfront adjacent area in the way Eden Park’s surrounding streets were closed? Queen St should have been off limits to vehicles all night.
-Why did anyone reading this site over the past four years reporting on the weekly breakdowns on the train network not think that trying to push old trains to run a service every 7 minutes to Eden Park was not going to fail in some form especially when there had been a breakdown at Morningside for the last trial run for Eden Park before the RWC?
-People waiting anxiously at Britomart had no idea there were buses also leaving for the park but way up by the Civic. Why weren’t there more buses and the information better known to those waiting for a train on the night?
-Why did the whole of the event occur right at the bottom of Queen St with people trying to get vantage points mixed up with commuters trying to get into a downtown train station?
-Why were people urged to try out the amazing new Queens Wharf where the entertainment and action was when buried in the message and lost of everyone I spoke to was the fact only 12,000 people could get in?
-Why did the expensive TV screens fail and by the way who ended up paying for these?
-Wasn’t the Strand train stop in Parnell recreated as an emergency station out of the immediate waterfront location if something was going wrong? -Why was that brought into service from early on?
-In retrospect should Auckland authorities have agreed to a waterfront stadium and the Government forced their hand?
-Would it have better to wait until Auckland got its long talked about electric trains which at one point were hoped for in time for the RWC – but the tender to even buikld them is still a few weeks away from being signed!
-And doesn’t a CBD link where trains can go in the other direction to Kingsland as well make sense now?

An independent expert familiar with international event management and transport planning needed to conduct a fast overview and deliver today’s report.

Not people who assured the Government and Council last week all contingencies were in hand.
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bob daktari said:
needs more 'socialism'

yep so we can look forward to rolling stoppages, lightning strikes, work to rule and the country being held to ransom

*points finger and laughs at all those bitching who would have had a monster stadium down there as well, to compound things*
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This whole debacle fucks me off no end. The whole Rugby World Cup has been nothing more than a massive dick-swinging campaign from the Government. Just like a million other things I could mention they've been given advice and they've decided they know better and gone their own way. And look what happens.

I'm actually glad what happened on Friday happened. Because now people might actually wake up and realise what a bunch of incompetent fucks we have running our country into the ground because they have suddenly decided to become experts in everything.

Labour should be capitalising on this better than they have been though. I've heard, what, one informal interview from Goff about this so far? Come on man, get the gloves on, demand answers!
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Certainly in some respects having a stadium down there would have slightly eased the transport situation by having everyone travelling to one place, rather than having multiple destinations:
1: Eden Park
2: Party Central
3-347: Regular commuter traffic

But on the other hand, the chaos downtown would likely have been exponentially worse. Edit: And the fragility of the system as a whole still would have been an issue.

Also stupid shit like people having to travel to Britomart, then back out to Eden Park for many services. Southern line trains should have split between South > Britomart and South > Western Line for Kingsland. Doesn't help Eastern Line traffic however as I don't believe there's any easy way they can move to the Western Line.

It also shows up the stupidity of Britomart being a terminus not a through station.
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Night Rider said:
bob daktari said:
needs more 'socialism'

yep so we can look forward to rolling stoppages, lightning strikes, work to rule and the country being held to ransom


Further to this, there's a lot to blame in the commercial arrangements Auckland Transport (And ARTA before them) are forced to enter into, with little control and basically no recourse over existing contracts they are tied into. Veolia for example have long being criticised for being useless fucks with terrible communication - them refusing to front up, along with RWC Minister McCully to the media while Mayor Brown happily does is a prime example. Wall of silence indeed.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5616905/Government-seizes-control-of-Auckland-waterfront

*facepalm*

Way to totally miss the issues you fucking ignorant clods.

-We're not going to SEE 200k people hitting downtown again, for 2 reasons - that some people will be put off because of the chaos, but more importantly, because opening night with the big fireworks and show was the big one! Nothing that scale is planned again AFAIK!
-Bledisloe Wharf? Are you kidding? There's NOTHING there?!?!?!?! Why not put screens up around Wynyard (where there were none), Aotea, The Domain, Victoria Park - there's PLENTY of other options than a stupid bare fucking Wharf.
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in other news Govt has no faith in private enterprise

national socialism will be enforced
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Here's how it's going to look to 95% of people: Government seizes control. No mass chaos. Govt must have done it right! Man those Govt people are smart, I'll vote for them.

But in reality it's like kris says, for a number of reasons there's going to be fuck all people down there from here on in, so whatever the Govt actually do now is irrelevant.
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Can't believe they are taking over the waterfront... wtf.. just don't let Joyce at the trains :@
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spike said:
Here's how it's going to look to 95% of people: Government seizes control. No mass chaos. Govt must have done it right! Man those Govt people are smart, I'll vote for them.

But in reality it's like kris says, for a number of reasons there's going to be fuck all people down there from here on in, so whatever the Govt actually do now is irrelevant.


We were saying exactly this over dinner. Very jammy.
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cunts.
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Exactly Spike. The same 95% of the population that believes it was because people 'pushed the emergency buttons' :/

Mr Joyce said the Government was responsible for delivering a successful Rugby World Cup, but said Auckland Transport was responsible for delivering public transport.

What a cunt.
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So the National Party has seized control of Auckland to make sure the trains run on time. Now, where have I heard that promise before....?

oh and has anyone else noticed how this government's response to any criticism is to get rid of the elected authority (Environment Canterbury, CERA and now this) and replace it with an unelected junta made up of it's cronies?
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I love it though. Rodney Hide sets up the super city in a way that takes transport out of the hands of Aucklanders and creates a secretive and democratically unaccountable Council Controlled Organisation run by his hand-picked right wing man. Nice and ripe for privatisation. Unfortunately for the governments plans, their man John Banks doesn't become mayor. Since then the government has had a permanent petulant hissy fit and Stephen Joyce refuses to fund any of the Super Cities new mayor's transport policies, even going so far as to strip the fuel tax option. Then PM Key has a brain fart less than two years out from the RWC and decides (without actually asking anyone in Auckland) to issue an imperial decree that the old Sheds down the wharf will be "party central" and Auckland had better get that organised! Then comes the toxic Murray McCully, minister in charge of the RWC and he who has micro-managed this event down to the colour of the volunteers uniforms, and he starts telling everyone to come to party central and take the train. Hell, he even got it printed on the tickets.

And when it completely fucked up on the night? Why, the government had nothing to do with it! It was all Len Browns fault!!!

So The Government takes control of public transport out of the public's hands, then refuses to put any funding into it, then tells everyone to use it to get to party central, and then refuses to take any responsibility for its failure, blames Len Brown (who has only been mayor for eleven months) then uses legislation to impose eve more control form Wellington... Because that has worked so well so far.
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and you know what Fishy.... white priviledged NZ don't care

we have apowerful govt stepping in to save a party

now if only they could apply the same to our real problems

sorry unemployed, battered and based children, earthquake victims and others enjoying these wonderful times but we've a piss up to get sorted

one Auckland Ratepayers can pay for
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I must say one strange but pleasing outcome is just how well versed so many seem on Italian history

education win

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Rudman != many

Good to see herald fanning the flames for website traffic gain


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the interwebs made the connection long before any herald staffer NR

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spike said:
This whole debacle fucks me off no end. The whole Rugby World Cup has been nothing more than a massive dick-swinging campaign from the Government...

Labour should be capitalising on this better than they have been though.!


Which Government campaigned to get the cup here again? Rolling Eyes
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huge difference between campaigning to get and the running of - its time to stop blaming the previous govt for everything

saying that the potential for what is and has happened was always going to be there whomever ran this - its the spin of responsibility and media management thats different
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fish_boy said:
So the National Party has seized control of Auckland to make sure the trains run on time. Now, where have I heard that promise before....?


No, that's the beauty of it......it's not even anything to DO with the trains! Purely the party! Laughing
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Would love to hear what McCully, Key et al. would have done differently to avoid the clusterfuck of last Friday...
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restrict it to millionaires only I'd guess - as it should be

if one considers they had no part in this, which of course they did
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Peroxide said:
spike said:
This whole debacle fucks me off no end. The whole Rugby World Cup has been nothing more than a massive dick-swinging campaign from the Government...

Labour should be capitalising on this better than they have been though.!


Which Government campaigned to get the cup here again? Rolling Eyes

What is your point?
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http://www.aktnz.co.nz/2011/09/14/train-fail-report-more-buses-security-compo/

Here are the incident logs for the day:

13:44 Person on track at Greenlane. Driver reports near miss, police called, train stopped until train cleared

14:19 Passenger collapses on train at Newmarket. Ambulance calle. Train held at station until passenger safely moved onto platform to await ambulance

15:00 As a result of heavily loaded services entering Britomart, Veolia instigated the plan to exit all customers through Takutai Square earlier than intended. Signage and barriers not set up so Veolia staff set up area and introduce plan.

15:03 Passengers attempt to board moving train at Henderson after doors had been closed. Train stopped, space made and the customers on board. No one injured.

15:09 Driver of train 2243 reports children on tracks at Te Mahia. Police called.

15:40 Passenger faints on board due to crowding. The customer was assisted off the train at Middlemore and taken to hospital by an ambulance which met the train at the station. Train delayed 12 minutes.

16:20 Emergency brake butons activated on board at Panmure , causing emergency brakes to be applied. Train stopped and driver investigates before resetting system. A 35 minute delay caused knock on effects.

16:30 Emergency services called to attend Mt Eden area just east of the station as customers force train doors open and disembark onto tracks. All trains stopped until tracks clear.

16:40 Customer collapses on train and is moved to Platform 4 at Britomart for emergency medical treatment including CPR. Platform closed for 30 minutes. Emergency services arrive 20 minutes after called.

16:50 Reports of 2 people riding on the outside of locomotive between Glen Innes and Meadowbanlk Train stopped at Meadowbank and police called to investigate before train continues to Britomart.

17:45 Emergency brake buttons activated on multiple occasions whilst train stopped at Newmarket. Passengers disembark. All trains stopped in the vicinity for safety reasons. A second train is called to take passengers. Incident brings South and West line to a standstill until it is established the lines were clear of evacuating passengers.

17:53 As result of above, Train 3254 is stopped near the Strand for about 15 minutes. Customers force doors open and evacuate causing immediate suspension of services in and out of Britomart because of safety concerns.

18: 23 Passengers repeatedly activate emergency buttons on train north of Parnell tunnel. All trains were stopped for safety reasons until the system reset (takes longer when trains fully loaded with standing passengers). Emergency services were called and assisted staff with a controlled evacuation.

18:30 Customers evacuate train between Remuera and Greenlane – forced to stop because of Newmarket incident. Customers force train doors open in response to heat, and long delays caused by the earlier incidents. Veolia staff and emergency services help remaining customers to safely disembark onto tracks.’

18:45 Security staff lose control of Takutai square entrance as a result of sheer number of people exiting the station. Barriers pushed aside by unruly crowds which mean people entering the station could not access or egress. Control regained at about 20:00

19:30 A fire extinguisher used on a train at Kingsland station, Customers evacuated onto platform whilst train crew establish whether any fire occurred. Services delayed for 30 minutes

20:10 Fighting reported on a train at Sylvia Park. Train delayedwhile police attend.

22:31 Train driver reports possibly intoxicated female fallen onto tracks at Otahuhu. All trains stopped on that line while ambulance attended.

00:18 Passengers fighting on train 2274 results in injury. All trains stopped from entering Birotmart to allow passage of this train into Britomart where it is met by emergency services.

Other notes in the log:
• Numerous reports form staff through the day of instances of verbal and physical assault and general disorder on trains
• Reports of Veolia staff being assaulted verbally and physically on full trains
• Escalators at Britomart stop working because of overloading. This slowed the exit from the platforms via the Takutai end as it was taking between 10 and 15 minutes o clear them via narrow steps, stopping tains being loaded quickly.
• Trains delayed at Britomart as they could not depart safely because of the large numbers exiting
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so it seems the govt takes control so no consents etc are necessary eg acting under emergency powers. Seems plausible.
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Well no, the consents are still necessary, but using the RWC Empowerment...powers, they can get them faster.

Even though presumably, the council is applying to the council for consents to close council roads.....fuck knows.

It's all stupid. Sounds like all the changes were underway already, then McCully rode in (just as him and John did with Queens Wharf in the first place) and said "WAIT, I'M TAKING OVER. PARTY ON THIS OTHER WHARF TOO!" The whole thing is insane.
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I think what is more insane is that it got to that point in the first place. EVERYONE knew there wasnt going to be room for everyone yet there didnt appear to be *any* contingency plans implemented. I know there were lots of circumstances (there were a crap load of cops at the hotel we were staying at to look after a head of state) but there should have been some more thought. Even being able to redirect the ferries if it got too busy.

Im not exactly up in arms about friday night but neither am I up in arms about the govt stepping in.
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bob said:
but neither am I up in arms about the govt stepping in.


What do you mean, stepping in? that would imply they had somehow stepped out.

Rodney Hide botched the supercity and left a huge mess, a potential massive disaster from which only the goodwill and hard work of people - Aucklanders often facing redundancy - has saved us.

Rodney Hide deliberately took public transport out of the hands of Aucklanders and gave it to his mates rto run via a CCO in a setup clearly with an eye on privatisation by fiat in the near future.

Stephen Joyce has taken every opportunity to obstruct, oppose and disempower Aucklanders and their local elected representatives plans for public transport, preferring to reward his cronies in the roading and trucking lobbies. He simply refuses to properly fund public transport in Auckland.

John Key and Murray McCully PERSONALLY decided to centralise the celebrations on the waterfront, AGAINST THE ADVICE OF THE COUNCIL WHICH RECOMMENDED DECENTRALISED FAN ZONES. Remember, Martin Snedden - in theory head of the whole world cup operation - knew nothing of "party central" until John Key announced it as an off the cuff idea to the media.

Murray McCully has obsessively micro-managed every aspect of the world cup to the point where in at least one case a mediator has been appointed to act as a go between between him and another minister who he is on barely speaking terms with. I hear Snedden doesn't like him either and I think we can imagine what Len Brown thinks of him in private.

Len Brown has been mayor for less than a year and so far has spent almost all his time just managing to hold together and actually make a silk purse of sows ear the mess Rodney Hide bequeathed him.

Where, and when, did the government actually ever step away from running this world cup exclusively as a party political event to aid their re-election?

Yet somehow the fuck up is now Len Browns fault?

THE GOVERNMENT CREATED THE SUPERCITY. THE GOVERNMENT CREATED PARTY CENTRAL. THE GOVERNMENT REFUSED TO FUND PUBLIC TRANSPORT PROPERLY IN AUCKLAND. THE GOVERNMENT;S INCOMPETENCE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FUCK UPS THAT OCCURRED.
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you mean the media overreacted? No?
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if I read one more instance of McCully's micro management thang in reference to his choosing the colours of some uniforms I shall scream - is this the best our wonderful journalists can manage?

or the feeble excuse of no one expecting so many people - ffs, Aucklanders can be relied on to turn up in numbers for events in this city - we fucking love them and theres years and years of examples of just how much we will support public events

I am angry of the pathetic political handling of this affair more so than the transport not working - that was always a given... but this clusterfuck of buck passing, shitting on Auckland by central govt and sound bites without substance is just embarrassing at a time when we should be putting out best foot forward

media - time to move on from this on ya front pages (unless you have something new to say that is relevant, not gossip mongering) and print some positive tourny stories of which there must be thousands now.. you know put on a good face for the locals, the visitors and the teams and their supporters - it is meant to be fun after all isn't it?






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oh and nice to see you dropping by Bob - your presence has been missed Smile
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bob said:
you mean the media overreacted? No?


Certainly the media did overreact. The best example being TV3 saying things like NIGHTMARE SCENES while showing footage of huge groups of people of all ages, smiling and laughing and having a good time. Remember, the vast bulk of that massive crowd had a good time.
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bob daktari said:
media - time to move on from this on ya front pages (unless you have something new to say that is relevant, not gossip mongering) and print some positive tourny stories of which there must be thousands now.. you know put on a good face for the locals, the visitors and the teams and their supporters - it is meant to be fun after all isn't it?


But Bob, no one buys newspapers with happy stories! Where else are they going to milk doom and gloom from right now?
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BE SCARED!
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kris_b said:
bob daktari said:
media - time to move on from this on ya front pages (unless you have something new to say that is relevant, not gossip mongering) and print some positive tourny stories of which there must be thousands now.. you know put on a good face for the locals, the visitors and the teams and their supporters - it is meant to be fun after all isn't it?


But Bob, no one buys newspapers with happy stories! Where else are they going to milk doom and gloom from right now?


I'm not saying stop reporting on this issue, just move from front pages and allow us all a chance to celebrate this event or at least not look like total losers to those in country

as someone else said
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If a shark carrying M McCully leaped out of the water around Party Central and ate an attractive model, would the Herald front page explode?
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the train company needs to train its staff

was stranded at Morningside station last night waiting for the advertised 12:35 am service - service delayed because some idiot munt-head (the kind of person I represent I guess) fled cops and drove down railway tracks.

that can't be helped, but the announcements were CRAP:

hint one: don't leave sentences unfinished leaving customers in suspense - "apologies your train service has been ...."

HAS BEEN FUCKIN WHAT???

hint two: don't follow that up with conflicting statements

"apologies your service has been suspended"

"apologies your service has been terminated"

wtf??? which one is it? delayed train or cancelled service? - because you know, then people could actually make a decision what to do next???

hint three: don't follow that with an announcement that trains are replaced by rail buses - "please move to your nearest rail bus location" - WITHOUT SAYING WHERE - and when in fact there are NO SUCH BUSES - are you taking the piss??

I walked towards New North Road then heard bells - ran back to train station - to see a freight-train coming through.

well HELLO THERE - if a freight train can come through, why can't a passenger train come through?/ it's the same tracks - is that too logical??

buzzed the emergency button on the platform to get information because teh call-centre shuts at 9 pm (not much help eh?)

but emergency button only accesses 111 services - "sorry we can't provide information about trains ....."

ah-ha how helpful ....

then 10 minutes later a delayed passenger train DID come through - even though there was no announcement to let anyone know - WTF? - that would have been helpful - especially when there were no replacement buses in the end anyway - you fuckin bunch of muppets

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Yeah, that's pretty much exactly how Veolia rolls, and has been criticised heavily for for many years. Nothing ever seems to change though. Neutral