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The guidelines seem fair enough anything that critises israel should be taken in context of the whole situation not just isolated actions.
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Bob there have been lots of so called isolated actions in the past. It's just political posturing. If they do something wrong they should be criticized for it. Perhaps this is a licence to do as they please without any fear of repercussions.
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styln, "they do something wrong they should be criticized for it." - agreed; But the same should apply to the Palestinians!

All the US is saying, and quite rightly so, is that they will only pass resolutions which look at both sides of the coin.

Is it really to much to ask?
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I suppose it's not too much to ask but if a Palestinian civilian/ woman or child is killed in an assassination attempt does it make it some how acceptable or not as bad given that the Palestinians have terrorist factions that some Arab countries appear unwilling to renounce. What I'm saying is that the loss of civilian life during assassination attempts is regrettable and should be avoidable. It's ok to look at both sides of the coin but some acts are reprehensible enough to be able to be condemned in their own right and yes this includes suicide bombings that target civilians.
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trapper said:
styln, "they do something wrong they should be criticized for it." - agreed; But the same should apply to the Palestinians!

All the US is saying, and quite rightly so, is that they will only pass resolutions which look at both sides of the coin.

Is it really to much to ask?


Why is it rightly so? Most Un resolutions are aimed at one country or state. In the korean war did they have to critisise South Korea for provoking North Korea? In Iraq did the UN resolutions also critisise the US for arming saddam and supporting when he was using chemical weapons I dont think so. If Israel does something wrong I see no need to have to include reference to Palestinian acts of terror,

Its just an excuse so america doesnt have to crtisise Israel. And recent moves by arial sharon show how much he wants peace doesnt it, stealing land from palestine allowing another 500 homes to be biult in an illegal settlement I suppose trapper youll say this is for the national security of Israel.

Ill say the same again with support from the US Israel is slowing and methodicaly exterminating the palestinian people with full support from the White house hell everyother country can see it except the US. Why dod the US abstain from the UN general assembly resolution condeming Israels plan to remove arafat when the resolution even discussed plaestinian acts of terrorisim the whole world agreed except the US wake up Trapper, stop defending Israel blindly please.
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As usual whole load of misleading and irrelevant bullshit, but since its Friday afternoon I’ll humour you anyway. Enjoy Very Happy

Did they have to critisise South Korea for provoking North Korea?
Of course not, but if the last 20 resolutions on the matter had condemned South Korea and completely ignored North Korea then I think it would be fair to demand that North Korea would be included in the next one.

Did the UN resolutions also critisise the US for arming saddam and supporting when he was using chemical weapons.
The US didn't arm Saddam with chemical weapons so a resolution criticising them for doing that would be a little odd now wouldn't it.

“stealing land from palestine allowing another 500 homes to be biult in an illegal settlement” – I'd be interested to look into the details, can you provide a reference please.

“Israel is slowing and methodicaly exterminating the palestinian people” – hahah mummet, the fact that you believe shit like that makes discussion with you rather pointless. It really does show you for what you are.

“Why dod the US abstain from the UN general assembly resolution condeming Israels plan to remove arafat when the resolution even discussed plaestinian acts of terrorisim the whole world agreed except the US” – More lies, the resolution passed 133-4 with 15 abstentions and it did not even come close to meeting the US’s conditions for any future resolution concerning Israel/Palestine.


Once again you call me blind, yet you are the one who has been shot down and proven wrong here time and time again. Nice work.

Embarassed Time for a beer i think.
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trapper said:


“stealing land from palestine allowing another 500 homes to be biult in an illegal settlement” – I'd be interested to look into the details, can you provide a reference please.

Embarassed Time for a beer i think.


heres a link for you on the new settlements trapper - from reuters this time... http://www.rense.com/general42/sie.htm

for Bush's roadmap to peace to be discussed I thought all new settlements were supposed to stop? And heres another link for you trapper - I'm not sure I agree on the theory that links Israel to the JFK assasination but the letter from JFK to the Prime Minister of Israel is authentic im afraid ... from Israeli state archives... http://www.jfkmontreal.com/dimona.htm an interesting read! And for once i agree with you trapper its definitely time for a beer...
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So they are building homes in existing settlements.


"the theory that links Israel to the JFK assasination" - that says it all.

btw: What site do you get all your anti-Israel propaganda off?
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trapper said:
So they are building homes in existing settlements.

"the theory that links Israel to the JFK assasination" - that says it all.

btw: What site do you get all your anti-Israel propaganda off?


heres a quote from the article...

The government published building tenders for three West Bank settlements in defiance of a U.S.-backed "road map" peace plan that calls for a halt to settlement construction.

Housing Ministry spokesman Koby Bleich said the plan for 604 new units near Jerusalem -- 50 in Maale Adumim and 530 in Beitar Illit -- and 24 more in Ariel near the West Bank city of Nablus was in accordance with government policy.

Secretary of State Colin Powell said Washington had "concerns" about the announced construction plans. The international community views all Jewish settlements on occupied territory as illegal. Israel disputes this.



The fact that they are building homes in the West Bank in defiance of the road map shows that the Israeli government doesnt want the road map to succeed! Concessions have to be made on both sides of course but surely you can see that this doesnt help... And once again you've dismissed the letter from JFK off the cuff (did you even read it?) even though i said i dont neccessarily believe in the JFK Israeli connection - the letter is still authentic and it showed JFK had extreme concerns over the use of the Dimona nuclear facility... All conspiracy theories should be taken with a grain (or bag!) of salt and theories are only theories until they can be proven...
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Didn't Arafat call off the road map to peace a few weeks back?
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heres another one about the settlements trapper...

JERUSALEM (UPI) - U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell expressed concern Thursday over Israel's decision to built nearly 600 new homes in three West Bank areas.

The Jerusalem Post said not only did Powell express his concern, but also indicated Washington was considering including the cost of Israel's security fence in deductions from the $9 billion in loan guarantees the United States has pledged.

Powell, speaking to reporters in Washington, said: "The president continues to believe the fence presents a problem. And to the extent the fence intrudes on Palestinian land, that problem is exacerbated."

Added Powell: "We also have concerns about continuing settlement activity on the part of the Israelis. And we are examining the loan-guarantee program to determine what we should do about it and how it should be reflected in the actions we might take, either with respect to settlements or the fence."

Reacting to the Israeli plans to build more homes, a Palestinian official told the Ha'aretz news agency, "The Israeli government always wanted to assassinate the road map, and they are doing just that."

http://www.rense.com/general42/israeli.htm
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rense.com explains so much. - zionistic nazism? and have a look at the disclaimer.

This is the same site that a couple of years ago was claiming that the US Govt was using aerial spraying (at 40,000+ft) to poison americans and using pictures of con trails as proof.

As for israelis assinating the road map.. who turned down the peace plan a few years ago That was the most comprehensive chance for peace the area had seen, they had agreed on all the details and then at the last minute arafat walked away. I cant think of anything israel has done to compare that too.