anyone else sick of the all blacks?

ffs man how many ad's can they cram them into?

it's so desperate.

Things Davil is sick of:

Apex
Threads by Apex
Dubstep

hmmm, no All Blacks aren't on the list.

thats because you are part of their target market. i bet you have ritchie Mccaw's haircut and all

I quite like apex's posts/threads

/has hated ABs from year .

^5

they are fucking everywhere. i have been paying attention, theres at least one ad every break and its not even like the are any good.

wheres all the all white ad's man? do we want to teach the kids of NZ that achieving is cool or being a douche bag rugby player is cool?

well, it is the world cup soon, and tbh, as much as i bitch about rugby cocks, i have enjoyed watching them this year. Apex, this thread had merit until you pulled out the " they're not any good" line, heh

oh, and the all whites adds will be coming, home friendlies this year woooooot!!!

you do realise apex isn't a multi-millionaire, right? :>

who?

Nope, not sick of it. They're playing well, plus having a mate in the squad makes it that much more interesting to watch.

I'll get vadz onto you.


I thought the All Blacks were very lucky to win that last game.... and all up, they didnt really deserve to.

Nah, not sick of them at all TBH.

They're targeting people who hardly ever watch rugby and live in the Philippines?

Weird... why do they play the tv's in NZ then?

I totally read that:

Is any one else sick of all the blacks.

controversial.

Yeah the constant amount of endorsement does grate on me a bit, but I hate almost all advertising, that said have really enjoyed watching the ABs play this year.

Lucky??? How so?

Yeah they've been awesome to watch, the cunts!

Yeah I'll admit worrying when Carter missed that penalty but SA were out on their feet for the last 10 minutes so it was looking likely.

stop watching TV and you'll find the all blacks almost disappear from your life... tis bliss I tells ya

The momentum was definitely going our way, you kind of knew we were going to score.

the rugby they are playing seems to be enjoyable to watch for once.

all the tv ads are FUCKING ANNOYING. I think there is 8 different ads with all blacks in them.

Gotta say - huge All Blacks fan - but I made this same comment just the other day.

They're everywhere.. Mastercard, Rexona, Powerade, Up'N'Go, Ford, then there's Carter's half-naked billboards etc...

Obviously nobody can afford to pay them out for exclusive licensing so they whore themselves out to multiple endorsements let right and centre

Admen (and/or their clients) need to fix up and do something original! I'd like to see more of the All Whites for sure

The worst part is grinder they all tend to blend together so if they're actually trying to sell a product they're failing because half the time I'm not sure which brand is supposed to be represented. Although that might be due to me generally switching off after the first few seconds.

Plus you forgot the original All Black pimp, Adidas.

Bwhahahaha! Oh what an endorsement to receive.

This. I still have no idea what Dan Carter is actually selling. Is it britches or his abs? I don't know!


All about "leveraging the All Blacks brand" I guess. Fuck if I know, all I know is I can't tell what's what. It's one thing to shill for a sponsor, but all these random endorsements everywhere is just stupid. Not that I could tell you the names of half the AB's in these ads :>

Half of them are bench warmers or not in the squad!

These guys need to make money. NZRFU is poor and can't match overseas contracts. Pretty simple economy imo. I don't argue the fact that it's ennoying tho.

Would it really matter if NZRFU lost them to overseas?

makes sense... they can follow their fans to aus

Are you serious?

Yes.

whatever it is its not enough to pay back other people only himself.

All Black star Dan Carter's failed fashion shop business owes creditors more than $1.16 million.
Thirty creditors are waiting while his Gas Clothing company is liquidated, and Carter will be among the first in line - as a secured creditor - to be repaid $210,000
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10662951
Last year, a chain of bargain furniture stores co-founded by All Black lock Ali Williams closed because of poor sales, and Carter, Williams and All Black captain Richie McCaw have been threatened with legal action over their bottled water business, Water For Everyone

This is possibly why they're whoring themselves so much - as for all the money they make on the field its not enough so they expand into risky ventures blow the lot then need to earn more to fund their lifestyles.

Well in that case you must've misunderstood - Roman's talking about players contracts (not marketing contracts). If there was no money for NZRFU to retain the best players, they would move offshore where they can play for big bucks (it's actually been happening to some extent for years). If all the best talent headed offshore, the game here would collapse, along with it all the revenue and the NZRFU would die.. simple economics, as he says.

A man can dream can't he?

Maybe the All Blacks need a Dubstep theme song to try and pull back some of the lost fans?

Oh, I see. So the assumption is that it would be a bad thing for the NZRFU to collapse?
If there is more money overseas for players then they should probably go overseas (based on the assumption that more money for players would lead to a heightened level of sporting achievement).

This was foreseen when rugby went professional in New Zealand (following on from the rest of the world) so I must say I do not understand what the fuss was about.
Though it is usually sad when somebody dies, even though it is a mere statement of fact that they will someday do so.

I dont care if the All Blacks are all over TV, i dont watch it so other people can suffer that one
Anyhow, it looks like at last we've produced a team guaranteed to win games all of the time - which is a first for a long while. It might even be safe to start watching them play again.

Anyone also notice how many of the All Blacks adverts have players who can't even make the normal line-up?

I noticed a print ad the other day which had Ali Williams, Andrew Hore and Tialata . Ummmm... Other ads have Ali, Luke McA etc... and then one token key player.

Oh, at least if they're getting paid they may as well make use of the guys who are injured or not up to the task of actually playing.

I like Rugby and the All Blacks.. .. am personally over league.. my family are real league heads...

the chance to win a world cup in their home country will be a bigger sporting achievemnt and must be more appealing than some more money. Glad i never see ads anymore.



uh huh... someone dies? wtf?

Well this thread isn't nearly as good as I thought it would be!

But for what it's worth, being in Aussie, no, I'm not sick of them...never fucking see them...and gawd it's gooooooooooooooooood!

Rugby blows goats...seriously...the ruck/maul/scrum/stop play/kick way the game has gone is fucking boring! Last game I watched (last year, not Bledisloe Cup game) was the boring as fucking batshit thing to watch! Yet all you rugby yobo's think it's the fucking bees pajamas...world chess championships have more excitement than your average rugby game!

Instead you get every channel, 10 hour a day coverage and analysis of every single NRL and AFL game played that week. Tres jealous maaaate!!!

The 'death' of rugby in New Zealand was forecast as an inevitability at the time that it went professional.
The death of the person is absolutely inevitable but the people around them still get upset when it happens.

Sometimes I feel I am the only person around here that does not think 'literally' :S

Culture change and globalisation killed it too - or sucked some of the life from it rather

No NRL analysis shows here in Victoria man...but yeah, loads of AFL ones...easy to avoid though.

And as for the game of AFL, I fucking love it! Yeah, I said it, hand in my Kiwi Card, right? STICK IT! It's a fucking great game, it's so frenetic in pace, there's no bullshit boring ruck/mauls everyone falls over, lets have a scrum, oh, wait, we're all too retarded to do that properly, penalty after 3 attempts and 5 mins of wasted game time...yawn...at least AFL is all about kicking, so that's what they do...the last major rugby game I saw there wasn't a single try score because each team just kicked the ball back and forth and did nothing but score from penalties...it was sad...it was like a game of soccer with and egg shaped ball

i reckon its just as much about getting the all blacks in peoples face right before the world cup as it is the money.

murry deaker (sp?) has been saying for a long time that rugby is dying in NZ and people don't want to watch anymore. it all add's up really...

step 1. secure the world cup, even though we know we cant afford it, so that rugby is forced on the genreal public.
step 2. sell off unimportant players cheap to as many brands as we can so that the general public can't go anywhere without seeing at least one AB.

result: people show an interest in rugby again.

so fucking lame man. i think NZ has moved past rugby now. im sure back in the day the only reason EVERYONE liked rugby was because it was one of the only things we did well on a world stage. theres soooooo many people is soooooo many other fields now that are dominating shit at the highest level.

im not saying i want rugby to go away all toghther but i think we need to stop thinking of it as 'the kiwi thing to do'. time to move on. it reminds me of those movies when someone goes to a high school reunion and the 'jock' is still wearing his football jacket and adding an 'o' to the end of everyones name

to me AFL is all about fumbling a ball and the other team picking it up and taking off with it. Last time i watched players didn't even bother trying to get the ball off players from the other team, they just wait for someone to fumble the thing. It's sooooo shit!!!!

You missed a great Rugby test in Melbourne this year.

Here's the highlights, which admitedly is all i've seen - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ZU4GKmOoQ

AFL can get very scrapey, it’s because you can’t just pass/hand off the ball to someone, it has to punched to them, which is inaccurate, and when the ball hits the deck and they’re all fumbling around it’s a lot of pressure to collect it and legally pass it…if you just throw/pass/hand it to someone...penalty…that aspect is dumb, but to me, it’s not half as boring and shit as the stop/start of Rugby, the collapsed mauls, the collapse scrums, penalty, someone kicks it out, 3 mins fucking around getting a line out done, ends up in a ruck again, collapses again, scrum again...there's no flow to the game

But when a team gets on a run with a nice sequence of kicks and marks it’s awesome…some of the marks they take are insane, serious commitment with their bodies on the line

Agree entirely with apex

We are FAR TOO FUCKING ALL BLACKS CENTRIC

The ONLY people in Ads are all blacks. What about Tasman players? Wellington players? BOP players? Who the fuck cares about an overly corporate team of machines when we have REAL RUGBY at the domestic level.

Fail / piss off. Any general sports fan couldn't deny that this years rugby (with the new rule interpretations, and the ABs playing to ballistic ability) is as exciting, if not moreso, than any other "football" code out there right now.

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I see you define "this year's rugby" as solely that involving the All Blacks?

i hate the all blacks more than i hate rugby.

I get into most sports, but AFL is like the worst sport in the world. There are no tough tackles, they grab onto each others clothing to tackle (FAG MOVE IMO) and use dirty tactics like elbows to the head. It's all kicking, if I wanted to watch a ball fly back and forth I'd watch tennis. They can't hold on to the ball. Players barely ever take the risk of running the ball. There's four posts, so if you MISS the main goal (the middle two) you still get a point...wtf? It's only played in Australia and is practically unheard of in other countries. They wear singlets. It's not Rugby League.

AFL sucks harder than what George Michael does in public toilets.

This. AFL is shit.

There's structure, but really its like a bunch of random school kids chasing the ball around like mad kunts. Also, any game that gets restarted with the ref randomly throwing the ball over his head is shit in my books.

Its been champagne rugby this year as well so I dont know why anyone is complaining. The last game was one the best AB wins in aaaages. Long may it continue.

AFL is killa fun to play and I can watch most of a game if I catch one but it's a bit too long to watch with great interest when I have no emotional investment in any teams. League I can watch no matter who's playing, I love it as much as I love cricket but I can't watch an entire cricket game involving none of my teams. League is the shit. Not that there aren't shit games that I don't watch if none of my teams are involved...

The All Blacks have been really exciting this year, they adapted well to the new rules and are playing a really good style of footy. We are to rugby as the Dutch are to football. It's not enough if we simply win, we have to do it with style. It's this attitude that cost us dearly in the last world cup and is (amateur psychology hour guess) a part of why we didn't actually kick up that much fuss after it. Hell people kept their jobs and wimmins didn't get their ass beat! That's gotta mean something. I've really enjoyed the All Blacks games I've watched this year, this is probably the first time is a long time that I can actually say that.

The way some of you go on about your hatred of sports and the All Blacks, it's like Richie McCaw beat you up in high school, slept with your mother, ran over your cat and took off with your one true love! You're just so fucking vehement!

gotta say the Richie really has excelled as captain.

So much idiocy ITT I don't even know where to start!



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^^^^^^ Also!!



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The other thing I wonder about is whether these advertisers actually really who is actually endorsing them, and whether they think being an All Baclk means the players past behaviour is not important. I saw a coke billboard this morning which had Andrew 'Seal Killer' Hore with two others, do they stop to thnk that just because someone's an AB doesn't mean they are a good match for the company?

I don't think they think at all, any of them

I can tell you that working directly with one of the sponsors they are extremely sensitive about who they associate with. At least the sponsor that I work with is.

It's funny hearing people talk in a forum like this, knowing just how out of touch they actually are with the rest of New Zealand. Having traveled all around the country recently and seeing the masses of people that show up to see a handful of ABs, the way people gush over anyone who's ever worn a black jersey (let alone Richie McCaw), the way their faces light up when they get a ball signed or Dan Carter shows them how to kick a ball... The lifelong memories that they take away actually mean something to a LOT of people in New Zealand. Clearly not everyone, and it would seem that many in this neck of the woods definitely have. But do not, for one second, think that you are indicative of the whole.

There is a reason why so many brands are prepared to spend through the roof with the ABs on absurdly similar advertising campaigns... Because the results speak for themselves. The ABs are THE biggest brand in New Zealand, and will continue to be for a long time. Rugby is not just our national sport - it's part of our national culture. Whether you like it or not. And that is a big part of the reason why guys like Andrew Hore come back into favour with the public and the sponsors... Because being an All Black has disproportionately redemptive qualities compared to anything else in the public eye. They are our ONLY real celebrities.

I don't know whether I think that is a good or bad thing, but it's a thing none the less.



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Having just played my first game yesterday I can assure you that it's nothing like that.

- There are HEAPS of tough tackles. You're even allowed to smash players off the ball. Shepparding is allowed within 5m of the ball which basically means you can smash anyone in that radius. There are collisions all the time going for the ball. 2 concussions yesterday.
- They grab clothing all the time in rugby and league so don't know what relevance that has?
- 'Over the shoulder' penalties are the most frequently given... so your 'dirty tactics' are another misnomer. And again that shit happens in any contact sport.

Fair enough that you don't like it - it's a scrappy game and not for everyone. But it's sure as hell fun to play and certainly nothing like the game you described in your post.

Phrase of the day for yesterday.......... SMASH CUNTS!



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I far prefer the term sporting heroes to celebrity... far more respectful and apt for the All Blacks than that most tarnished of words in our media Celebrity

Celebrities that have a disproportionate rate of loss at the pinnacle of the Sport- The William Webb Ellis Cup?

candiE_Kane - what SMF said, you've got no clue about the game, so stop spouting crap like you understand even a single rule, because you clearly do not...as for your points not already debunked by SMF, you can hold the ball and run with it all you like, you just have to bounce it every 15 metres or pass/kick it…people run the ball quite a lot, but not heaps as that’s not what the game is about, it’s about kicking to another player and taking a mark to reset the play/take a shot on goal. But please, go on, I need another laugh

When it's scrapy AFL is terrible to watch but I will agree that once things open up it does start to get good, however the same point could just as easly apply to running rugby.

I'll give you that, Jono...when rugby is flowing, it's great...but the stop/start of the game and the way games get played with people milking for penalties and those are the only points scored all game fucking suuuuuuuuuucks. AFL doesn't even stop for long enough for a replay to be shown, it's just go go GO!

Do AFL crowds still yell out 'How Big's Ya Dick' just before the ref behind the posts holds out both hands to signal the goal (or whatever it is that requires two hands to be held out). The first time I saw that I rolled on the floor laughing my ass off.

Greatest thing about the AFL imo

<3

Sidebar: the ass then rolled out the door then down the stairs, just as some dude was walking up them. The ass landed right on his head, sandwiching itself aroud his ears and everyone thought he was Joseph Merrick and hassled him for autographs and photos and stuff. It was an ugly scene, rescued only by the soldering iron of justice.

DC - naah, never heard them do that at the games I've been to...must have got over it...pretty funny though.



That's a fucking good one alright!

Further to what SMF said above - I watch almost every ABs game live and love it. The game is great to watch and the stars it produces are big-time celebs around NZ.

This year, especially the games we've had recently, were great - and showed what a snore-fest soccer (world cup especially) really is.

Heh yeah 2 massive head clashes similar to that yesterday. KO'd!



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Momentus thread.

Insanity and RobW each agree with separate posts I made. Wow! Now I've just gotta get Apex on side and we can all play happy families!



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haaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha.

Is AFL Aussie Rules? If so, when I used to watch sport, I liked watching that one. They had a league out in henderson, and the boys were hawt.

Yeah it is tragic.



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Well it is pretty cold here, that could be hell freezing over

Tragic – the girls here love it coz all the lads are so fit, arms + legs toned as fuck…there’s no guys that are on the team just because they’re built like brick shit houses weighing 130KG like league/rugby…everyone has to be able to run and jump not just stand in the way like a wall…they did some tests last year and they averaged an AFL player covers 14Kms in a game…with some covering over 20Kms…no rugby or league player would come remotely close to that

smf, how do you reckon Folau and Khunt are gonna go in the AFL?

Stupid move even putting them in the team imo…trying to increase AFL popularity in an area which is predominantly league orientated by stealing leagues great players = retarded…just makes those league fans resent the game, not embrace it!

I'm sure he'll adabt to the game quickly enough

I honestly wouldn't know mate. I'm a total AFL n00b, just starting out. Starting to get a decent grasp of the game in terms of an involvement level, but I still have very little idea about the professional players, teams, coaches etc and their relative skill level.

The are some pretty big instinctive differences so far in my limited experience with the codes, in particular being able to clear the ball out if you're at risk of being tackled.... In league/union the instinct is to beat the man first, or set your self for a play-the-ball/ruck IF you get tackled. In Rules if you get tackled it's a ball-up and a bit of a no-no. The difficulty comes with having to hand pass or kick (or at least attempt to) to clear out - you can't just chuck it down or it's a penalty. My thoughts with Folau and Hunt are that they'll have to curb some of their natural 'running' instincts and really open up their peripheral options.

Having said that, thees guys are phenomenal athletes and with the right coaching will, no doubt, be awesome at pretty much anything.



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And some marathon runners run, what, 42km? No AFL player would come close to that!
Judging sports on the amount of distance run is pretty idiotic bro.

this is the exact sort of fucking dribble im talking about. "they are our ony celebrities" fuck off you twat. what are you judging 'celebrity' on? on how 'famous' someone is in nz? you gotta be.

blatant excuse for you to mention that you work with some wanky advertisers imo.

also it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise whats going on when all of a sudden the all blacks are on ever second ad during the build up to the world cup at a time when national interest in the AB's is at a low. although im pretty stupid so maybe i missed the deeper meaning here

god you can talk some rubbish.

hmmmmmmm i wonder if all the advertising/world cup has helped with this

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/4025638/All-Blacks-winners-on-the-field-and-the-box

reading your whole post now i think you were meaning they are our only NATIONAL celebrities which i guess is a fair comment.

bottom line is that rugby is struggling in new zealand. every week there is a new issue with the game. they changed the rules to make it more watchable ffs. what message is that sending? didn't the NZRU lose like 10 or 15 mil this year or something? theres better shit we could be concentrating on rather than spending money we dont have on a world cup.

im sure its all just an attempt to get some public interest back in the game.

Usually a good starting point.

Yup.. definitely a lowlight in a fairly idiotic post overall. Which position in rugby only requires 130kg weight and being able to stand in the way like a wall? Is this a newly invented position?

Surely better to just fly off the handle. Abuse first, ask questions later right!?



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Definitely a chance for me to anonymously brag without mentioning a brand or even what I do. That makes perfect sense! Of course I wouldn't want to relate first hand experience to the thread. That would just be stupid!

I didn't think it was possible, but you appear to be getting even dumber.



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My gawd, you are such a blinkered retard, think you’re right about every fucking thing to the point that you completely miss the point other people are getting at…I’m not “judging the sport based” on that, I was merely commenting about how rugby and league can be played by 130KG beefcake mother fuckers who struggle to cover much ground, whereas the AFL players are all way more athletic in over all build DUE TO the amount of ground they have to cover.

You sir, are a fucking moron...lots of book smarts, ZERO common sense, logic or reasoning

Haha... Careful there Insanity. Vadinho has better reductionist logic than pretty much anyone on the boards.

Rugby is more of a game for specialists, whereas AFL players all pretty much need to have the same skillset, including some pretty impressive fitness capabilities for those playing on the ball or in mid field. No point getting into 'this game is better than that game'.



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Haha this thread is fkn awesome

K...well he's fucking awesome at outlandish assumtions, that's for sure

And I wasn't even trying a "my game is better than your game", it was a simple comment, aimed at Tragic, not yous dicks, au, in regard to their fitness/physique

wtf are you on about muppet? your first line was "I can tell you that working directly with one of the sponsors they are extremely sensitive about who they associate with. At least the sponsor that I work with is."

*facepalm*

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Translated: Rugby caters for ALL body types whereas only a particularly small niche can play AFL? Nice to know