All Blacks end of the year tour

The team been named and here it is gentlemen:

Forwards:
John Afoa Auckland (20 test caps)
Anthony Boric North Harbour (10)
Wyatt Crockett Canterbury (1)
Tom Donnelly Otago (1)
Jason Eaton Taranaki (13)
Corey Flynn Canterbury (5)
Owen Franks Canterbury (6)
Jerome Kaino Auckland (22)
Tanerau Latimer Bay of Plenty (3)
Andrew Hore Taranaki (43)
Richie McCaw Canterbury (76) - captain
Liam Messam Waikato (2)
Rodney So'oialo Wellington (60)
Kieran Read Canterbury (12)
Adam Thomson Otago (12)
Brad Thorn Canterbury (33)
Neemia Tialata Wellington (37)
Tony Woodcock North Harbour (5

Backs:

Dan Carter Canterbury (62)
Jimmy Cowan Southland (2
Mike Delany Bay of Plenty *
Stephen Donald Waikato (16)
Andy Ellis Canterbury (11)
Tamati Ellison Wellington*
Zac Guildford Hawke's Bay *
Cory Jane Wellington (
Brendon Leonard Waikato (12)
Luke McAlister North Harbour (2
Mils Muliaina Waikato (77)
Ma'a Nonu Wellington (42)
Sitiveni Sivivatu Waikato (39)
Ben Smith Otago *
Conrad Smith Wellington (29)
* denotes new cap

All Blacks tour schedule

Saturday 31 October, All Blacks vs Australia, National Olympic Stadium, Tokyo

Saturday 7 November, All Blacks vs Wales, Millennium Stadium, Cardiff

Saturday 14 November, All Blacks vs Italy, San Siro Stadium, Milan

Saturday 21 November, All Blacks vs England, Twickenham, London

Saturday 28 November, All Blacks vs France, Stade Velodrome, Marseille

Saturday 5 December, All Blacks vs Barbarians, Twickenham, London

Finally dropped Rokocoko. That was a long time coming.

Rested/rotated rather than dropped I would imagine.

lol @ that guy Aled De Manche (sp) Spends all season on the subs bench while the AB's lineout bumbles along and then gets dropped

That's just a polite way of saying dropped. He's been playing arse and there are better players around at the moment. So I see it as him being dropped.

Henry made it clear that him (Roks) and Gear didn't get in, due to their inability to kick. I would say this is a clear indication that this case has nothing to do with rest or rotation.

Our locks are not going to strike any fear into foreign lineouts anytime soon.

I just hope this selection panel - which thank God appears to have demoted Hansen and done everything short of dropping him - doesn't ruin Zac Guilford by telling him to "bulk up". Zac is a winger in the Terry Wright/Doug Howlett mode, an out and out speedster.

Never heard of Ben Smith, but this selection panel seeems to have a habit of picking players who show some glimmer of promise (De MalManche(sp) is one) who warm the bench, get 30seconds against Italy, and then arre never heard from again.

I think after the way he was owned by Karl Lowe in napier, Whitelock should be very pleased he is there. I think if Lowe can pull out a big season in the pajama rugby (hard to do when that useless time server Colin Cooper is coach) he could take the No. 7 shirt next year because I reckon McCaw is positioning himself as a number 8 for 2011.

Yeah I just read this. Oh well, good to see that they're at least somewhat aware of how the game has been changing.

Still don't see how Isaac Ross could be better off at home eating pies rather than gaining further test experience (especially Northern Hemisphere / tour experience) though.

Well he needs to bulk up and get stronger, if he is on tour he cannot spend anywhere near as much time in the gym. Simples.

maybe inability to catch too in Rok's case ....

heh, that too!

Bulk up for what... Summer? Super 14?

I know that's the reasoning but I can't understand why they couldn't have waited a few months for that and given him more serious game-time in test match / tour rugby. That's something you can't teach in a gym.

Bro, bulking up for summer is tops. Ladies love it.

Teams for the weekend:

NEW ZEALAND: 15 Mils Muliaina, 14 Sitiveni Sivivatu, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Cory Jane, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Jimmy Cowan, 8 Rodney So'oialo, 7 Richie McCaw (c), 6 Adam Thomson, 5 Tom Donnelly, 4 Brad Thorn, 3 Neemia Tialata, 2 Andrew Hore, 1 Tony Woodcock. Reserves: 16 Corey Flynn, 17 John Afoa, 18 Jason Eaton, 19 Kieran Read, 20 Brendon Leonard, 21 Stephen Donald, 22 Tamati Ellison.


AUSTRALIA: 15 Adam Ashley-Cooper, 14 Peter Hynes, 13 Ryan Cross, 12 Berrick Barnes, 11 Digby Ioane, 10 Matt Giteau, 9 Will Genia; 8 Wycliff Palu, 7 David Pocock, 6. Rocky Elsom (captain), 5 Mark Chisholm, 4 James Horwill, 3 Ben Alexander, 2 Tatafu Polota-Nau, 1 Benn Robinson. Reserves: 16 Stephen Moore, 17 Matt Dunning, 18 Dean Mumm, 19 George Smith, 20 Luke Burgess, 21 Drew Mitchell, 22 James OConnor.

No Guilford?

I hope they lose.

We all know who chocked this weekend, aye fishboy.

Pretty leveled performance I thought. Aussies were desperate, but ABs managed to hold them out. Well done. Fuck, what the hell will we do without Carter...

Teams for the weekend:

NEW ZEALAND: Mils Muliaina, Cory Jane, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Zac Guildford, Dan Carter, Brendon Leonard; Kieran Read, Richie McCaw (captain), Jerome Kaino, Jason Eaton, Brad Thorn, Neemia Tialata, Andrew Hore, Wyatt Crockett. Reserves: Corey Flynn, Owen Franks, Tom Donnelly, Adam Thomson, Jimmy Cowan, Stephen Donald, Ben Smith.

Wales: James Hook, Leigh Halfpenny, Tom Shanklin, Jamie Roberts, Shane Williams, Stephen Jones, Gareth Cooper, Gethin Jenkins, Matthew Rees, Paul James, Alun Wyn Jones, Luke Charteris, Andy Powell, Martyn Williams, Ryan Jones (captain). Replacements: Huw Bennett, Duncan Jones, Bradley Davies, Dafydd Jones, Martin Roberts, Jonathan Davies, Tom James.

Wales are talking a lot of bullshit. I hate when teams do that. Both players and coaches will feel like shit when they loose. Oh well.

Surely Gatland should be asked by the IRB to explain his comments? To say you are hard done or the ref got something wrong something by is one thing, but to outright accuse the referee of bias is destructive and unfair.

Just laugh at Gatland bro. He fully deserves to be laughed at after the shit he was saying before the game.

imo

f u nit

Guilford had a great debut, he is going to be a great All Black.

I reckon him and that guy Maitland are the two coming wingers.

Fuck yes! I completely forgot about that!

The big question is - has Northern Hemisphere whinging lost its aura?

so Dan Carter is going to face the judiciary over that "high tackle"

but i'm sure i've seen plenty of tackles just as high as that one, escape punishment

interesting they are coming down hard on him belatedly over this

what a crock of shit. Its about fucken time then kiwis get taken to when it comes to dirty play and high tackle. To long they have been getting away with it.

whateva dik

Does that mean we retrospectively add 15 points to all SA opponents scores for the last 5 years that they have been offside for pretty much every ruck? 15 is probably a bit lenient but lets not get silly here.

Also:



A bit of contact on the head but just as much on the shoulders and you can clearly see the Welsh baby has both legs bent therefore not standing upright. It's pretty 50/50 as to whether it's even a high shot, to say it's worthy of a suspension would be an utter joke though.

What is actually the rule with these?

I mean his arm was in contact with the guys right shoulder, his hand in contact with his left shoulder... it's not like he was clotheslining the guy around his neck at all. It was also sort of side-on too.

Surely it doesn't warrant a suspension?

Whatever.

Talk about storm in a teacup!

worst comeback EVER considering Richie is the offside god when it comes to ruck & mauls.

Richie's not offside, he's just using his hands when the ref can't see.

well now Ive seen the replay a few times, its plain that Dan swings his arm and it comes into contact with the players head. It isnt hideous but I dont think a citing is exactly outrageous either. Lets see what the result is then resume squawking

All great number 7's "cheat". Rugbys messy breakdown situation means cheating = being good. So they are essentially exempt from the accusation. Thats a different thing to what Jono is accusing your teams entire defensive line of *Re-Action*.

So Dan is going to be replaced temporarily by Stephen Donald, in the next match ... Lord help us!!

heh, he made a contact with players head. I think it will be fair if he gets sited. Media is talking about Stephen Jone's kick to Leonard's head and saying Jones should be sited too. I disagree. You can see on replayes he was going for the ball. And lol re-action, "kiwis are dirty players"... I'm not saying we don't cheat, but we're definitely not dirty. Check your glasses mate.

I hope Delany gets a start against Italy. JH, I don't think it will be much of a problem if Donald gets a start, because it is a game against Italy and I don't believe that Italians have what it takes, even if we play Woodcock at number 10.

Sweet! Kicks in the head all round in rucks etc then. Cos it's ok if you're going "for the ball".

The decision on DC hasn't been made yet. I think the tackle was high, but he does have a squeaky clean record. I reckon he'll get a one-match suspension at most.

And yeah, lucky it's only Italy this weekend.

fwiw, i do think the ABs generally get the best of the ref's decision. I think that's the case for all successful teams in all sports though. There's a reference to a "Manchester United effect" in this article:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=10608151

I think it's not too dissimilar to how cricket umpires give tail-enders out more easily than they do th ebest batsmen in the world.

Yeah its impossible to deny that factor does play into the AB's hands. It was worse/better when Fitzy was captain cos he had such mana and was brilliant at chipping refs and making them feel opinion inferior or w/e

The fkn baggy Greens used to benefit from that shitloads when they were unquestionably th worlds best side too. Try getting an Australian captain lbw uh uh

These sort of things annoy me though as it's not even worth a week, the only reason it's being looked at is because the Welsh (Gatland included there as he ain't welcome back here now) had a cry. It really annoys me that when an incident is put under the microscrope after a match suddenly the penalties become so much worse. It was no worse than 50 other high tackles this year where a referee blew a penalty and then got on with it without any further fuss.

Any suggestion of it being yellow card worthy is due to field position and the possibility of it being a professional foul. Professional fouls do not carry a suspension though hence why he is being charged with a high tackle, thus any suspension would be grossly disproprotionate to the actual offense.

heh, you can tell if the player was going for the head or ball. Jones was looking at the ball at the time he launch his foot, Leonard just felt in time for his head to meet Jones' foot. And, Jones was looking for where ball gone after the kick, rather than keeping his attention to Leonard's head. All those are signs that Jones did not go for his head intentionally, but rather was trying to kick the ball away.

I really dislike Gatland for the way he approached this game and his pre and post game comments. What a muppet.

17 missed penalties in 30 minutes.

I think referees still owe us

Dan Carter - DJ

From this evening's media conference in Italy.

Q: What do you do when you're not playing rugby, do you like music? Carter: "I love music, I'm learning to DJ at the moment and also love fashion so it's fantastic to be here in Milan for the best shopping in the world."

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_5686504,00.html

He's copped a one week ban. Rugby's judiciary continues to be farcical.

It was expected. He wasn't going to play against Italy anyway. Let's hope Delany gets a start.

All Blacks team for the weekend:

Cory Jane, Ben Smith, Tamati Ellison, Luke McAlister, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Mike Delany, Andy Ellis; Rodney So'oialo (captain), Tanerau Latimer, Liam Messam, Anthony Boric, Tom Donnelly, Neemia Tialata, Corey Flynn, Wyatt Crockett.
Reserves: Andrew Hore, John Afoa, Jason Eaton, Richie McCaw, Jimmy Cowan, Stephen Donald, Mils Muliaina.

Well done Henry for giving an opportunity to new guys.

Against Italy... Hardly a brave gamble is it?

Um yeah, thats what these types of tests are all about - giving an opportunity to new guys.

Then why the 'well done', he's just doing what every other All Black coach is doung in the past.

There was some speculation (by media) that he will be fielding the strongest team possible, after Italians gave us a fright on their tour to NZ earlier this year. Henry however understands the importance of giving these new guys some game time, even if it is only against Italy. Hence well done to him for not buckling under the pressure.

NOT ANOTHER DJ!!@@!

This whole story is full of lols... ABs cooking with models. Boys look pretty haaaaapy.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/3055418/All-Blacks-shoulder-model-assignment

Springboks loose second week in the row...

French did look good tho. Will be interesting to see how AB's go against them.

For all the talk of how the ABs should have been penalised more for their scrums in the last ten mins against Italy on the weekend... now the top brass in the reffing game comes out and says the ref was getting it wrong!

Paddy O'Brien on those scrums:
"...in the last 10 minutes there were eight scrums, of which seven, the tighthead for Italy is purely illegal."

And on Wyatt Crockett:
"You've got a young guy trying to launch his test career and get things right and the referee is inaccurate. Then it's our problem."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10610050

I think in general Aussie refs now hold the mantle as the worlds worst.

Tbh, I thought our scrum got owned...

Teams for the weekend:

All Blacks: Mils Muliaina, Zac Guildford, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Dan Carter, Jimmy Cowan, Kieran Read, Richie McCaw (c), Adam Thomson, Tom Donnelly, Brad Thorn, Owen Franks, Andrew Hore, Tony Woodcock. Reserves: Aled de Malmanche/Corey Flynn, John Afoa, Anthony Boric, Jerome Kaino, Andy Ellis, Stephen Donald, Tamati Ellison.

England: Mark Cueto, Matt Banahan, Dan Hipkiss Ayoola Erinle, Ugo Monye, Jonny Wilkinson, Paul Hodgson; James Haskell, Lewis Moody, Joe Worsley, Steve Borthwick (captain), Simon Shaw, Duncan Bell, Dylan Hartley, Tim Payne. Reserves: Steve Thompson, David Wilson, Louis Deacon, Tom Croft, Danny Care, Shane Geraghty, Mathew Tait.

Yep this. The ref wasnt great but that Italian prop, whose name I dont even know, was a beast

I wouldnt be at all suprised to see our scrum get bettered by the Poms as well

P.S





SPRINGBOKS 23 Saracens 24

We'll be fine against poms. I rate Owen Franks over Wyatt Crockett.

The Italian prop's name is Martin Castrogiovanni. He is one of the top rated props in Europe.

And yes, lol SA lol.

Even Paddy O'Brien has criticised Dickinson, yes he's a kiwi but in his position it's a big call for him to come out against one of his referees. He must be pretty damn sure of himself to do so, although I think he has criticised the consistency of the decisions rather than stating the Italians were cheating at scrum time.

Paddy on the scrums:
"...in the last 10 minutes there were eight scrums, of which seven, the tighthead for Italy is purely illegal."

On Wyatt Crockett:
"You've got a young guy trying to launch his test career and get things right and the referee is inaccurate. Then it's our problem."

From stuff:

Italy's Martin Castrogiavanni, and later Salvatore Perugini, had scrummaged illegally throughout the match, O'Brien said.

I guess he did say they were cheating afterall.

Graham Henry has a sense of humour.

"I had to find out what bloody Twitter was, I thought he was the new five-eighth playing for England..."

(Re: the Tialata/Jane tweets yesterday about the media)

Paddy O'Brien has also said that there was nothing wrong with Barnes' refereeing, when AB's lost to France in quarter final of the World Cup.

So he usually backs his referees, even in the face of overwhelming evidence but in this case he didn't... Pretty damning inditement of Dickinson's performance.

Mind you I think with Barnes he had to back him or face criticism over appointing a relatively inexperienced ref for a quarter final. Whereas Dickinson should have more than enough experience to competently referee a one off test between Italy and New Zealand... That said his level of experience suggests that IRB bosses should have had more than enough time top realise he's a poor referee. Him and Tapa Henning together would be interesting...

Difference is: in this game the ref was clearly getting it wrong according to the top ref in the land. He said it that it isn't fair that a ref penalises a team because he got it wrong consistently.

In the Barnes case it was more of a couple of minor, debatable calls which happen in virtually every match.

Big difference.

I recall one game last year when an opposition player kicked the ball downfield and it went over the dead ball line. McCaw had to remind the ref that under the (then) new rules the play went back to where he kicked it from - Ref looked a little confused for a few seconds... Point being refs aren't perfect and sometimes miss things/make mistakes. But when they're calling something wrong again and again and again - especially when he had it pointed out to him by Crocket and we also suffered a sin-bin for it - something has to be done. Either he forgot or didn't know the rules. That is a much bigger issue than a simple run-of-play error.

Minor debatable calls? You've got it the wrong way around.. Barnes performance was terrible even to the average punter: a huge forward pass and dozens of ruck infringements in the space of 30 minutes.. the scrum fiasco on the weekend was way more debatable - most people you talk to thought that Italy deserved a penalty try. Very few could tell you why the scrummaging was illegal..

Ok, stop crying. AB's played like shit against Italy, regardless.

^^^that was for Rob and Jono.

A series of errors on different things could be caused by tiredness, lack of speed, randomly blinking at the wrong time etc is hugely different to missing the same infringement in 7 or 8 scrums only 2m away and stationary, at least according to the top ref after viewing the video. It's obviously more likely that the ref doesn't know or wasn't applying the rules as intended. That he had to be reminded by a freshman front-rower only to ignore him is worthy of more than a newspaper gripe. If the basics are wrong then they warrant a talking-to or rethink. Which O'Brien has done.

Rugby is played with full awareness that the ref will miss the odd forward pass for whatever reason. But not because the ref doesn't actually know the rules.

Most people. Exactly. Two days later with video hindsight the top ref says....

You'd be surprise at how led by media headlines and commentators are. Later when they're found to be wrong (on one point or another) you rarely hear a correctly. Much of Italy will still be crying that there should have been a penalty try despite O'Brien having already poo-pooed that idea completely.

The trouble with rugby refereeing is while the game has gone fully professional, the refereeing is still only partially so. Referees, touch judges and TMO's are not a coherent team that officiates together week in and week out. They are assembled on an ad hoc basis for each match.


I reckon that if they had two (like league does) referees, two touch judges and a TMO that are selected as a group at the beginning of each season THEN KEPT TOGETHER THROUGOUT THE YEAR the standard of trust, understanding and communication between the officials would soar, and with it the standard of officiating.

The problem I have with introducing an extra ref in any sport is that there is a finite number of officials available, so bringing more into the higher levels will hurt the lower and grassroots levels of any game.

Not the greatest performance by AB's, but a win nevertheless. Carter overtook Mehrtens' record for most point for All Blacks, but he didn't play as sharp as he usually does. Guildford is slowly starting to settle in this side also, which is awesome to see.

Deans on the other hand is faced with possible sacking soon, if he doesn't change Wallabies run of losses. Scots will be drunk for many weeks to come after beating them first time in 27 years. Makes you wonder what is happening to Aussie rugby union...

I can't believe how everyone is rating Muliana as having had a good game. His failure to score that try was unforgivable in a professional player. He had the ball in the wrong arm and was unable to fend, and he dived to late so was far to upright when the defence hit him. Very poor technique from a player of his experience.

The All Blacks are in their usual end-of-season Northern Hemisphere tour mode. Much as the Pom's like to castigate themselves and search for signs our game is declining to their level, the reality is that at this time of year you can see that mentally the All Black's thoughts are turning to the summer break and they are doing what it takes to win in second gear, and that is about it. It is telling that the debutante angry eleven year old, Zac Guilford, looks the hungriest player.

@Jono - I was watching how Kaplan referred. He was very good, took no bullshit at the scrum and did a good job of letting two team try and play rugby. I've modified my view a bit - I think a second ref on the park would be very useful to monitor both sides of the scrum, so I would have a second official for the set pieces.

And I would set the offside line 5m behind the last foot of the ruck.

Australia lol

I think the biggest problem is the fact the games are descending into a competition to see who can kick the ball the highest, allow player to call a mark anywhere in their own half would reduce the effectiveness of the tactic.

Stephen Jones is hilarious. You can always count on an awesomely vitriolic rant about New Zealand rugby from him every year. Good for a laugh but just to check... No one ACTUALLY takes him seriously do they? The NZ media always seem to greet his articles with an oh noes kinda tone. Like we gotta look out for the English upper class revolution any time soon or something...

Yes, I couldn't give less fuck about what he says. lol

Teams for the weekend:

All Blacks:Mils Muliaina, Cory Jane, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Dan Carter, Jimmy Cowan; Kieran Read, Richie McCaw (capt), Jerome Kaino, Tom Donnelly, Brad Thorn, Neemia Tialata, Andrew Hore, Tony Woodcock. Reserves: Corey Flynn, Owen Franks, Anthony Boric, Tanerau Latimer, Andy Ellis, Stephen Donald, Luke McAlister.

Le Frogsamien Traille, Vincent Clerc, David Marty, Yannick Jauzion, Maxime Medard, Francois Trinh-Duc, Julien Dupuy, Julien Bonnaire, Fulgence Ouedraogo, Thierry Dusautoir (c), Romain Millo-Chluski, Sebastien Chabal, Sylvain Marconnet, William Servat, Fabien Barcella. Reserves: Dimitri Szarzewski, Nicolas Mas, Lionel Nallet, Julien Puricelli, Morgan Parra, Yann David, Cedric Heymans

Flying to Marseilles tomorrow morning for the game.


DO. NOT. FUCKING. LOSE.

I'm rather excited about this one. If both teams fire it will be an absolute cracker. I really hope we get the back-line firing and running from deep like they were late in the tri-nations games against SA and Aus.

Not sure if it's actually on tv here though Hopefully there's a pub somewhere showing it.

8pm on ESPN.

This website is your friend:

http://www.wheresthematch.com

Fuck, that's awesome! Have fun bro!

Now that was some entertaining rugby! Awesome game.

And and South Africa.....

Word! One of the better displays of skill I've seen in either codes this year. Carter, Cory Jane, Conrad Smith, Sivi... pretty much the entire backline was firing. Not to mention the domination upfront.

Man, that was just magic.

Funny how you can be so disillusioned by a game all season, then all it takes is that one shining beacon of a display by the ABs to make you realise why you loved it in the first place. That was how Rugby should be played.

Jane has been the find of the season, the guy is all class. DC; he's not human. Conrad Smith, best centre in the world. Kahui's certainly got his work cut out for him now. Kieran Read, you absolute beast.

Oh, and South Africa, LOL @ you.

Stephen Jones' article today was "Ten things we've learnt from the autumn Tests"

Although initially laughable, he does have a point of sorts in there... somewhere. We should have been exposed last year for our lack of depth and the holes between our individual stand-outs being filled by journeymen. Henry managed to get a lot out of that crew but was exposed this year when the stand-outs were injured and couldn't find the cohesion to carry the team.
I think this season has uncovered some serious talent, particularly with Read and Jane. The gaps are still worrying and, of course, we're fucked if we lose Carter or McCaw but there are positive signs.

All to late now however. There is pretty much no way that coach will be changed with less than 2yrs to go. Should have lost all the Tri-Nations games but nooooooo!

I haven't seen any of the SA games - what the hell happened?

The exodus of players after the 2007 RWC left the team very short of talent in some positions. The thing about the All Blacks is they've managed to survive that gutting, and the serious injuries to mcCaw and Carter and beat everyone except South Africa this year. We are now rebuilding well, with Reed and Jnae the two most improved this season. If Carl Hayman, Ali Williams and Kevin Mealamu can comes back next year and re-capture their old form then things are looking quite bright.

We are still far to dependent on Carter and McCaw, but lets face it - they are by far the best players in the world in their positions so who would rely on them? I would say we are now only looking weak at back-up to McCaw and Carter and at half-back, where Cowan is the best of an average bunch.

The Springboks are the only team able to beat us - and they are getting older and older and I would suggest they peaked this year, whereas we are going to improves next year.

Idiot. We have arguably the two best players in the world in Carter and McCaw, and you could argue that Conrad Smith is the world centre, and Sivi the world wing right now. Our backline, when finally selected at full-strength as it was for France, was sick.

Couple of journeymen in the forwards but there's also new blood coming through, and of course the likes of Hayman, Mealamu, Ali Williams who were unable for selection on this tour.

Also, that "hopeless" French team wasted his own England, as well as the world champion Springboks, and played some of the more enterprising rugby we've seen this year.

Don't pay attention to what this idiot has to say. Just laugh. Cause english team is at it's shittiest it's ever been. In contrast, All Blacks looked the better of Southern hemisphere teams and beaten the top Northern hemisphere teams

Lol grinder! I can watch that all day long and it gets funnier and funnier.

Stephen Jones is Welsh, but yeah quite clueless.