Air fares

wtf

$120 from chc to AKL

yet it costs $257 to fly from queenstown to CHC

how the heck do they work that out ?


Air fares are such bullshit, $2 for this $8 for this


anyone no know anythign aboot it all

$660 from Auckland to Queenstown.

Its called m o n o p o l y.

Cheaper to fly to most austrailian cities than to queenstown.

yea i worked it out tonite

im fucked but it is still the same if u bus to CHC and then fly to auckland

plus that is a hassle to get there as well

Yeah it's also called "m o n o p o l y n e e d i n g t o g e t b a c k i n t o t h e b l a c k"

I can't believe how shit Qantas service has become since everyone found out Air NZ was in the poo. Bad Qantas! Shame on them. And it practically happened overnight...

And I really feel like suing the pants of freedom for their f**king insurance charges. They advertise that fares cost $90, and say nothing about the $25 insurance charges until the last page on their website right where is says "are you sure you want to buy this ticket - P.s we are going to make you pay a high insurance charge and we are not going to tell you what we are insuring you for..."

wankers.

PS: if you get hit by a charge and didn't think they advertised it, just ring up and bitch and tell them you never saw it, and they better refund it damn quick before you call the commerce commission.

Worked for me...

Has anyone seen the advertisement on TV regarding special fare to Sydney with Flight Centre? The price was advertised for $379 - special conditions apply.
Well I know for a fact that the Sydney taxes are $112 dollars if purchasing a return ticket.
I think this is a very unfair way of getting people into there shop.

$373 ex ZQN to AKL not bad i surpose

??? Where the heck is ZQN??

have a quess i posted it at the top Man!

ZQN = Queenstown
AKL = Auckland

Just another example - FAT = Fresno, California

Friend of mine working at the airport had a conversation with a rather large lady who didn't want the luggage sticker on her bags because it said "FAT"
Silly lady.

Oh riiiiiight, I can see how ZQN makes sense...

cause it is a new airport and all the new ones have Z in front of the first to letter cause most combos are gone

LAX = La

and so one

like NZL and AUS

Boycott Qantas unless you want your airfares to go up even further in the future. The CAA and insurance levy is payable on top of your airfare no matter what airline you fly. Yes, they will add it on at the end. These charges have been in place since September 11.

too right all tax and insurance charges don't go to the airline, but to the airport/insurance company...in SYD they have heaps of charges including a noise tax....what the airlines advertise is thier fare, which is thwe money that goes to them, make sense

I just went to book a flight today expecting fares to be cheaper after xmas only to be told that the airlines have raised their prices! sucky

yea there is this thing that have added um area tax but it is bullshit it's like $9 a sector. so if u travel like me from ZQN to CHC then to AKL it will cost me $18 but on the return flight it is only $9 cause im flying staright back to ZQN from AKL


airlines suck.

Yeah, well we were pretty damn close to not having one at all for a while, so count your lucky stars that the good ol' taxpayer is forkin' out bigtime.

what air new zealand? stuff them they are 40%+ plus owned by singapore airlines.


i always fly qantas....

better service more airpoints nicer tea ladys and i have never been delayed to much.

but the three times i have flowen air nz i got delayed up to 4 hrs stuff them they treat u like shit they feed u shit and they charge u an arm and a leg

Forest - singapore used to own 20% of AirNZ, after the bailout the Govt owns 80% and Singa only 4%

Indeed, but Qantas / Ansett / Tasman pacific went bankrupt in NZ domestically. I'm surprised Qantas are now even flying the Queenstown routes actually...

So you'll fly an Australian airline, but not one you thought was 40% owned by a Singaporean one, even though it was partially owned by NZ investors? Nice work, or racism?

Wicked eh Nearly cheaper to fly to Aus than within NZ.

Voice read my post on airline service .... Air new zealand suck the big banana.

i fly qantas cause they give me a better service to ZQN cheaper better times and more air points (everything in life is aboot points to by the way) :-p



a plane flys over head every 15mins coming in to ZQN and back out every 25mins.

they even do direct flights from Aussie during the snow season.

Queenstown is the toursim capital of New Zealand hence people from overseas want to visit and there aint no port o call around for ships so the only option is Air unless ud like to dock in Bluff?

So it's no use saying you are surprised they fly here.

Yea the Airport may have made a loss year but it's because of airlines like Air Zealand saying they are going to cut flights there.

So qantas moved in with origin pacfic and took over. and usually 9/10 get you there on time and well looked after.

previous anyway

Qantas are just going from bad to worse. now I find out that I can't request a window seat anymore because i'm not a "gold" level frequent flyer.

gimme my bloody window seat!!!

bastards.

Forest you are exactly the kind of sucker Qantas are looking for. Qantas Australia are flying domestic in NZ for once reason only; they don't want Air NZ to grow strong again. Qantas are losing shite loads of money in NZ, not that it matters because there's plenty more where that comes from.

If Air NZ goes under, there goes all the taxpayers' money and up goes the price of domestic airfares. And there'll be nothing we can do about it because Qantas will be the only airline left.

Not only that, but think of the consequences it'll have on the NZ economy. We are already bordering on third world status.

Please don't fly Qanta Biggies!

So we are supposed to fly AirNZ and experience delays, shitty service and poor customer relations, not to mention pay MORE for the priviledge. (On top of the what, almost one billion dollar bailout using my tax dollars?)

I remember a few years ago, I needed to fly from AKL to WLG one way, because I was collecting a car and driving back. AirNZ, cheapest flight was $250 odd so we (unsurprisingly) went with Ansett for only $99, and got free drinks and better food and service all round. Not to mention that it took me 30 minutes on the phone to AirNZ to even enquire about the pricing and flight availability, and less than 10 minutes to Ansett to find the flight, the cost and to book it with credit card.

Fuck AirNZ, I won't fly them until they really start working for my travel $$

I'll fly whoever gives me the better deal and service. I don't care who owns the airline, as long as we have /an/ airline flying here.

Like I said, if Air NZ goes under, you will never see that tax money again, you will have to pay MORE for your flights (Qantas will put them up once they've succeeded - remember the Compass debacle anyone?), Qantas will not have to live up to any service standards (I think they're shit now anyway), and the ecomony will be worst off. Is anyone actually listening to me?

And by the way, they're all working at a loss in the domestic market so if they really were "working for your travel $$" You'd be paying twice as much.

I didn't want my tax dollars being thrown into that fucking airline, and so I most certainly do not intend to let it change my behaviour any further.

I'll go where the flight is cheapest. Your argument on fares is silly anyway, as if Qantas don't start making money here (i.e. get enough customers to bring their costs down), they'll pull out and Air NZ will have the monopoly and put up prices yet again.

I'm a-listening, kat, but I'm not agreeing with your logic.

Qantas isn't making any money on the domestic market here. Neither is Air NZ. The only way either one will make a profit is to push the other out of the market so that they can put their prices up. At the moment Air NZ is losing this battle. Qantas won't pull out and leave the market to Air NZ especially as weak as it is. They can afford to pour millions of dollars into this life sized game of Risk. That's what they do best.

What is so silly about that voiceinsideryou?

Kat: Nothing's silly about /that/. It's called "competition" and it happens in "markets".

Asserting that Qantas will put infinite amounts of money in just to push Air NZ out is silly. One can only sustain operating losses for so long, anyway.

You're just defending a misplaced allegiance to Air New Zealand as far as I can see.

Kat, I like your analogy to a game of Risk. I think that's quite right - you reach a certain point where you are both pouring in all your resources against one other competitor, until finally one decides to roll the dice and it doesn't stop until one of them is dead.

Only thing is that no one is rolling the dice yet. Although given the reported comments from Qantas in the paper yesterday (assuming that the comments are true) perhaps qantas are eyeing up their three dice and counting the odds?

voiceinsideyou - why is my allegiance misplaced? I fly internationally and domestically throughout the year. Fares and services between Air NZ and Qantas don't vary that much (in my opinion), so why not defend my own?

Oli - good point. Lets see what the next roll of the dice will be.

I agree with you Kat. It makes sense to fly Air NZ. It keeps more kiwis in jobs and therefore is good for our economy, especailly now the govt owns it. I fly Air NZ wherever possible as well. If favouring a NZ company over an Aussie one is misplaced allegiance then I'm all for it.

Well, if it's $30 cheaper to fly Qantas than to fly Air NZ, that's some pretty expensive allegiance.

A blanket rule to always fly AirNZ regardless of price is misplaced allegiance if you ask me. if they are the same price, then sure, maybe even if they are $10 different. There becomes a time when 'buying NZ' for the sake of it is just irrational, price has to be a factor at some point.

But just saying that everyone should fly the airline, fullstop, and playing on their consciences is silly.

Incidentally, flying Qantas in NZ keeps kiwis in jobs too, as they employ NZers domestically. It's just that the profits (which as kat says, are negative) flow to Australia. Since they aren't making any profits, it doesn't matter about that dollar flow, does it? It's the equivalent of flying Air NZ (in that respect) at the moment anyway.

I agree that always flying air NZ despite the price difference is silly. I should have said I use air NZ where practical rather than possible. Even if Qantas aren't making money more of theirs jobs will be based in Australia anyway because that is where they are based.

If $10 or $30 if nothing more than loose change, it ain't no misplaced alligance. I don't think EVERYONE should fly Air NZ, yes that would be silly. I guess what I am disappointed about is the lack of patronage kiwis have. Not only on this debacle, but across the board.

You mean patriotism? Like the Americans?

Ahh well, fair enough I suppose, if that's what you meant. However, I will remind you of your first message:

"Boycott Qantas unless you want your airfares to go up even further in the future. The CAA and insurance levy is payable on top of your airfare no matter what airline you fly. Yes, they will add it on at the end. These charges have been in place since September 11."

"Boycott Qantas" seems a pretty unequivocal order to me. That's what I was disagreeing with.

Fair enough

Just had to pay $1875 aud syd/akl/syd for my sister to come to a funeral.If she had stayed the weekend could have got $1285 aud.
If booked 5 weeks in advance could have got $495 nz$
pretty crazy

True, but sensible economics.

Just to geek it up a bit economicz-stylez - your demand curve was almost perfectly inelastic - your sister HAD to come to the funeral so you'd pay almost anything.

Whereas that person booking 5 weeks in advance.... is more sensitive to price.

lol voice you ecnomist
Lack of competition, therefore shit prices

Yeah, that's also true.

Thanks for the addition there.

*revises grand universal theory of everything in the entire universe ever*

*realises he's full of shit*

Dman. I mean damn. (ho ho ho)