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Continuing to make a mockery of Iran.

But good lord, Netanyahu's response to his speech (which was inflammatory and aggressive but from what I've read didn't deny the holocaust or call for Israeli destruction) was:
We will not allow the Holocaust deniers to carry out another Holocaust against the Jewish people.

Ahhhhh, what? Way to be just as melodramatic.
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LOL... I support Israel, but Iran also has the right of free speech.

Having said that - I haven't checked out Ahmadinejad's speech; if it contains factually incorrect information then that doesn't fall under the 'free speech' umbrella.
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I've only seen it in quotes, not full transcript but there were no outright factual lies in it - although plenty of overly aggressive and emotive rubbish.
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haven't seen the speech, nor do I care to... I imagine its the usual stuff from him - which western media has reported wrong in the past (propaganda services will resume after this reality TV show)

isreal does a good line in emotive rubbish too -they are experts in saying peace whilst they kill innocents etc.

and its time Israel stopped with the holocaust line - FFS sake get over it and move on.... it was europe, it was nazis, it has no bearing on your current situaton (except where you act like nazis)
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I will probably look up and read what Ahmadinejad said. But in the meantime, I can only comment on what was in the Herald, viz:

GENEVA - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad accused the West of using the Holocaust as a "pretext" for aggression against Palestinians,... ...Ahmadinejad... saying the United States and Europe had helped establish Israel after World War II at the expense of Palestinians.

"They resorted to military aggression to make an entire nation homeless under the pretext of Jewish suffering," he said...

...Ahmadinejad also accused Israel of being the "most cruel and repressive racist regime" and blamed the US invasion of Iraq on a Zionist conspiracy..."

Now, anyone who know any Arabs at all know that the idea that the United States is manipulated by a zionist conspiracy is pretty much mainstream opinion. Like it or not, Ahmadinejad is merely expressing the opinion of practically every Arab.

And secondly, the claim that the Holocaust has become the figleaf for the dispossession of an entire people from their lands and the ghettoisation of those people in their own slow-burning Holocaust is hardly without truth, and can be heard expressed in any number of moderate people's dinner parties right across the west, not just in the minds of the mad Mullahs of Iran.

It seems to me that this walk out by Boycott/Western countries has been a orchestrated attempt to drown out comments that are not racist, but merely not what they want to hear.
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regardless that was not the forum to bring it up.
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Maybe Ahmedasuperbad should consider the genocide committed by Muslims when they invaded and seized the Holy Land in the 10th and 11th centuries?
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who's seen waltz with bashir?
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israels comments make more sense in that he denies the holocaust and today is the day it is remembered (apparently).
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vadinho said:
Maybe Ahmedasuperbad should consider the genocide committed by Muslims when they invaded and seized the Holy Land in the 10th and 11th centuries?


The term genocide didn't exist then, therefore he doesn't have to :>
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fish_boy said:
It seems to me that this walk out by Boycott/Western countries has been a orchestrated attempt to drown out comments that are not racist, but merely not what they want to hear.


it had a lot to do with Muslim nations' desire to curtail western freedom of speech actually vis a vis the Danish cartoons of Mohammed so quite the reverse in fact of what you say

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Other countries boycotting the event out of concern that Islamic countries will demand that it denounce Israel and ban criticism of Islam include The Netherlands, Germany, Canada, Israel and Italy.


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The major sticking points regarding the proposed final UN declaration are its implied criticism of Israel and an attempt by Muslim governments to ban all criticism of Islam, Sharia law, the prophet Muhammad and other tenets of their faith.
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The Danish cartoon saga is conpletely irrelevent to this thread.

Please try and stay on topic rather than simply indulging in ad hominum attacks on the Islamic world which actually are little more than a illustration of your own racism.
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Seems relevant to the original topic to me.
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relevant enough to appear in many news items/ opinion pieces regarding this issue

it is our god given right as westerners to attack the islamic world and the walk out and boycout of this meeting acknowledges this

Jews = good
Arabs = bad

business as usual in other words
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fish_boy said:
The Danish cartoon saga is conpletely irrelevent to this thread.

Please try and stay on topic rather than simply indulging in ad hominum attacks on the Islamic world which actually are little more than a illustration of your own racism.


not only is it relevant to the topic but it is you who is resorting to (erroneous) ad hominem attacks (upon me) illustrating your own closed mindset
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I'll be they're all wishing they'd had the maturity to stay in the room, listened to what he had to say, so that they could use their turn to speak their minds and respond to his comments.

At the end of the day he knew (or at least his superiors knew) exactly how this was going to pan out and this is how they planned it from the get go. Iran isn't going to sit by and let a discussion between world leaders about racism happen without the Palestine issue being thrown in their faces - I'm surprised that people didn't see something like this coming.

As for the terrorist Prophet comic - it's pretty low to use the freedom of speech card here.
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virgo1 said:
I'm surprised that people didn't see something like this coming.


they dd and that's why they boycotted it