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Heya,

Are there any Adobe video editers out there keen to give me some tuition:

I have Adobe CS3 and am fairly comfortable with After effects for basic editing.
I think I need a bit of workflow assistance with regards to when to use Premiere/AE and settings within the programs.
I am filming video with a Canon HFS10 which captures in AVCHD format and then transcoding using Cineform Prospect so that I can work with the files in CS3 (i hear CS4 can handle it native)
I don't really know the correct composition settings, output settings etc and usually just wing it with mixed results.
I plan to upload the clips to youtube in HD and am trying to output the best quality clips I can.

If this sounds like your area of expertise get in contact and we can discuss a rate for a few training sessions etc.

Cheers
Dave Very Happy
daves_rave@hotmail.com
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How'd you get on with this R-Type? Did anyone offer their services? Even if not it sounds like you're on the right track with just playing around with mixed results. I'm kinda in the same position as you and have played around heaps with mixed results to kinda find out what works best. Although I have a strong technical background so I found understanding media formats / codecs easy and had to experiment a lot with cinematography / lighting / sound / directing. Pretty much my recording skills because you can only edit as well as you record.

One of my mates uncles produces TV commercials so it was good to entice him infront of my computer (editing suite) with a splif and then bail him up and tap him for a bit of knowledge although it ended up progressing into a bit of a Mac vs PC discussion. Just by the way II totally blew all his Mac arguements out of the water apart from the point that Final Cut / Avid is more 'industry standard' which is important if you are working within the industry. (otherwise its not)

As far as ditigtal formats go AVCHD format if a fairly compressed form of HD and like all compressed media (mp3 / DV / jpg etc) for best results you'll need to absolutly minimise recoding data because each time you recode you introduce a certain loss of quality in the output. Don't forget your camera records it internally with a certain loss of quality so each time you rencode it after you record it the loss in quality gets magnified.

In effect you want to recode it once when you pull it from your camera and once again when you cut your master video and you need to try and recode it each time in a format that minimises the differences between your source and destination devices. For maximum quality you need to aviod any unnecessary intermediate recoding which basically means when you take source material and output it to a new format or medium .

As far as capturing goes it sounds like you need to get CS4 so you can edit AVCHD natively on your PC which will mean the files you capture to your PC don't suffer (any more) quality loss coming off the camera. You also want to create your sequence using integrated Affer Affects projects as embedded clips which will render it inline with Premier projects as opposed to rendering sequences in After Effects seperately and then using the exported files as imported clips in Premiere. When you are wanting to export the edited video you'll need to render it to match the output format. If its not it a matching format when you upload it (to youtube) or write it to external media (like a DVD) it will recode it again introducing more quality loss.

As far as workflow goes I normally capture to my PC as one big source file, import that into premier and then cut divide the source internally into usable clips within the Premier project. Then I can use those clips within another sequence in the same project which does not create any imtermediate source files. Premiere will will recode clips intermediately when you are previewing but when you export your final clip it will edit and proceess your RAW source files only once to create the output.

I hope that makes sense / helps?

Post some of your videos? Smile

Heres a couple of mine which I was happy with:

The copy I have of this one looks much better on my 50" plasma than it looks on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KqXkALliwY

Ditto with this one I did with a song I sorta wrote a few years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3T8TMOkrYI

The video quality in this one is way better once I figured out a few techniques with regard to uploading it to YouTube. (Also youtube has gotten better with uploading since a few years ago.) The background noise isn't that good but no matter how much I tried to EQ it out once I'd recorded it it was hard to remove. (Turn it up a bit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VczRJSFBJFM
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What format / containers do you use to encode for youtube PD?
I've been trying different encoding but there dosen't seem to be a hard and fast rule for high quality videos that load fast. Everything I've uploaded has been either H.264/flv single pass, progressive, 720 with AAC audio @ 128Kbps, but the filesizes still seem a little on the large size... would be interested to hear what others are using
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Cheers for your help Phunky dave!! I didn't get any tuition offers but yeah trial and error learning seems to get there eventually. I've just got a big phat book on working with after effects which should be good reading. I tend to favour AE most of the time but i am trying to learn how to use premiere more.
i'm off to google 'integrated Affer Affects projects as embedded clips' This sounds like something that will help me out heaps Smile

Here's a couple of video's i did for a friends site, pretty much just point and shoot with a logo overlayed in the corner. Mainly to see how they'd look HD. I did learn a few valuable lessons.
1. Don't f*&k with the zoom button too much
2. low light and steady camera are much better than the temptation to pan all the time. (gorillapod tripod should be handy for next time)
3. Directional microphone will cut/drop out the sound from the stage if i am doing a reverse crowd shot
4. Releasing a topical video more than 3 days after an event = far less views than a next day upload (delay as working out how to edit avchd)


and the rest are under youtube: PartypillsTV or on the Partypills Blog

Working on some at the moment that are more creative video editing than video shooting.

as for PC/Mac debate i'm about to go travelling europe and am in the market for a high spec laptop that will handle avchd native editing, quite keen on the new macbook pro (if it ever gets released) 8hr battery life (editing in the field) light and they look nice haha, i also hear they're awesome to work on. (they better be at over $3k!)
But I have always worked on PC so i know my way round and it is more bang for buck. Just wondering how much nicer a mac osx would make my life. Most of the video editing PC laptops i've seen are heavy/bulky with short battery life which wouldn't work for me.

anyhow thanks again for your words of wisdom
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I'd be surprised if you got the full quoted 8 hours life out of a MBP when sitting there editing HD video constantly. You'd be maxing out both HDD and CPU/GPU.
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Is a PC laptop really that much cheaper than a Macbook these days?
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The gap is a lot narrower than it was in previous years, but still a decent gap nonetheless.

Base MacBook @ $1699
13.3" 1280x800
C2D 2.26ghz
2gb
250gb
GeForce 9400M 256mb

Dell Inspiron 15 @ $1249
13.3" 1366x768
Core i3 2.16
4gb
320gb
Raedon HD 5450 1gb

And I don't really think anyone serious would consider the base MacBook, anyone I know with half a clue is getting the Pro, which starts at $1999 and jumps up to $2899 for the 15". With PC, you're still under 2 grand for a 15" with (sometimes considerably) higher specs, and sometimes you're even talking 17" for under $2k.
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I saw that Dell offer the other day, looks pretty cheap for a lappie with 1 Gig graphics card!!
was well surprised at the specs and price, the macbook i had my eye one is likely to be 3 times that price, agree that 8 hour battery might be pushing it editing avchd. I wonder if it'd last 4 hours when working it's ass off. Throw into the mix the macbook pro i am eyeing up hasn't even been released yet lol. hurry up apple so i can make my decision.
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Can't give you any objective data here but I've used mac pros (desktops) for nearly 10 years at work and had a PC at home for just as long always with the latest windows and cs etc. Always thought OSX was superior until recently when using win7 and a badly setup mac at my last job running leopard, then just just felt different with their own annoyances. At home I'm used to using 2x22" monitors on win 7 with 4gb and a couple of terabytes of storage.
I've used PC laptops only a few times, but now I'm studying and I got a 15" macbook pro through my course, and was unsure about the small monitor and laptop experience in general. But, I've had this mac for a couple of weeks and noticed that having a mac for personal use kicks arse over using one for work use (I could set up my workstations to my preferences, but where you put files and how you named them etc was usually a company policy). I really cannot imagine enjoying using a pc laptop as much as this machine. I could bootcamp it for windows but I don't think I'll bother. If I need windows I still have a desktop (currently packed away cos I'm mid-move).
Er, anyway, my point was that this is a cool and nice machine to use, I doubt windows 7 on a laptop could give a similar experience. *shrug* Even if it costs you more, I don't think you will regret the purchase.