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The U.S. war in Afghanistan by some counts is now the longest war in American history.

It's been 104 months since October 2001 and the start of a hugely popular mission in the aftermath of 9/11.

That's longer than World War II. And that's longer than Vietnam - it was 103 months from the passage of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution to the withdrawal of the last U.S. troops there.

It's worth noting some insist that Vietnam is still the longer war; that American servicemen were taking casualties there as early as 1961 - long before the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.

At first, Afghanistan seemed like a cake walk. Within months, the U.S. had driven the Taliban from the capital city of Kabul. And Kandahar, the headquarters of the terrorist group, was in U.S. sights. In fact, on the one-year anniversary - then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said: "The Taliban are gone. The Al Qaeda are gone."

But instead of finishing the job in Afghanistan we invaded Iraq and now nine years later the Taliban seem more dangerous than ever. President Obama recently ordered an additional 30,000 U.S. troops into the war in Afghanistan.

Of course, sadly, that means the deaths of U.S. service members continue... recently passing the 1,000 mark. Yesterday was the deadliest day for coalition forces in Afghanistan this year.

But warfare has changed a lot, and the military death toll in Afghanistan is nowhere near the 58,000 U.S. troops lost in Vietnam or the 400,000 who lost their lives in World War II.


http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/08/afghanistan-war-americas-longest-worth-it/

104 months and no end in sight

what a fucking waste of time, people, resources and power
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well yes I'm not a warmonger but one of its +ve side effects is to save Pakistan, no? well by save I mean prevent from being run over by the Taliban types
and I think theres an oil pipeline that is at risk as well.....
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Fewer people die per day in Afghanistan than on American roads
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vadinho said:
Fewer people die per day in Afghanistan than on American roads

What the fuck?
Afghanistani death rate = 17.83 per 1,000 people*
US road deaths (2003) = 1.49 per 1,000 people**

If you're going to pull some bullshit total numbers of people then any respect I have for your statistical abililty will disintegrate Razz

* http://www.indexmundi.com/afghanistan/death_rate.html
** http://www.driveandstayalive.com/info section/statistics/stats-usa_indiv-states_per-capita_2003.htm
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wtf has a road toll to do with this Vads

actually I wonder how many of those lives could have been saved if Afganistan was no longer the worlds leading producer of heroin...
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the American road toll was always used as comparison with Vietnam stats as I recall
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FACT: Road toll comparison? Hilarious!
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jesus do we still have to gauge the world through viet nam eyes....

in short: bad war long, no good, go home yankee

better?
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G-Dub said:
vadinho said:
Fewer people die per day in Afghanistan than on American roads

What the fuck?
Afghanistani death rate = 17.83 per 1,000 people*
US road deaths (2003) = 1.49 per 1,000 people**

If you're going to pull some bullshit total numbers of people then any respect I have for your statistical abililty will disintegrate Razz

* http://www.indexmundi.com/afghanistan/death_rate.html
** http://www.driveandstayalive.com/info section/statistics/stats-usa_indiv-states_per-capita_2003.htm


I meant fewer American soldiers die per day in Afghanistan than die on American roads.
So, really, it's 8 years of hardly any loss. There are hundreds of other activities more harmful to America, activities that do not have the same benefit.

Get some context. Cannae. First day of the Somme. Hell, even Hastings.
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I don't think the american tax payer would appreciate your comparisons Vads... for if they weren't fighting needless wars they coudl afford to upgrade there infrastructure which in turn could save lives on the roads (well them that aren't on the Afgani H)

there are more costs to war than simply that of the dead
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Big Macs kill more Americans than their wars.
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and how many big macs do afganis normally die from a year?

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vadinho said:
Fewer people die per day in Afghanistan than on American roads

vadinho said:
I meant fewer American soldiers die per day in Afghanistan than die on American roads.

I'm glad you've finally just come straight out and stated Afghani's aren't people Razz
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G-Dub said:
vadinho said:
Fewer people die per day in Afghanistan than on American roads

vadinho said:
I meant fewer American soldiers die per day in Afghanistan than die on American roads.

I'm glad you've finally just come straight out and stated Afghani's aren't people Razz


Ummm... I'm willing to bet there's a hell of a lot more people on American roads each day than US soldiers in Afghanistan. Especially when the as I understand it, the majority of troops in Afghanistan now are British.
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The original post brought up american casualties, it was valid for Vadz to put it in perspective.

It doesnt mean he wasnt considering the afganis just responding to the stats in the original article which i note dont include civilian deaths either.

But I would be more inclined to call it an occupation rather than a war, although it does have a lot of similarities to vietnam.
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300 British Troops dead is today's record attained

a small price for the trillions in minerals the us have allegedly found*



*the russians are disputing this find as they found it first... depositis have grown since the russian find however, this is due to the fluctuating US futures markets
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what was that I read about the $2 billion in aid that has left the country destined for foreign numbered bank accounts?
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countless stories on "aid" money gone and disappeared... all them container loads of greenbacks

I wonder how much of the 100 million NZ has contributed to rebuilding efforts has actually rebuilt anything
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I guess we account for it through ouur army's efforts instead of just handing over wads of cash
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Headline news in one Australian paper today was New Zealand's refusal to send troops to Afghanistan as Key believes its unwinable. And it went on to say that this may hurt NZ / Aus military ties which I reckon is a pretty stupid statement and unlikely in the long run.

I'm not sure how you would ever define a 'win' anyway, I'd say the best they can hope for now is a draw of some sort.

Can anyone even remember why they are there? lol...
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"New Zealand's first combat death in Afghanistan is not a reason to withdraw our troops from the country, Prime Minister John Key says." herald

RIP

now can we get the rest of them out of there