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In his first 100 days, Obama has excused torture, opposed habeas corpus and demanded more secret government. He has kept Bush’s gulag intact and at least 17,000 prisoners beyond the reach of justice. On 24 April, his lawyers won an appeal that ruled Guantanamo Bay prisoners were not “persons”, and therefore had no right not to be tortured. His national intelligence director, Admiral Dennis Blair, says he believes torture works. One of his senior US intelligence officials in Latin America is accused of covering up the torture of an American nun in Guatemala in 1989; another is a Pinochet apologist. As Daniel Ellsberg has pointed out, the US experienced a military coup under Bush, whose secretary of “defence”, Robert Gates, along with the same warmaking officials, has been retained by Obama.

All over the world, America’s violent assault on innocent people, directly or by agents, has been stepped up. During the recent massacre in Gaza, reports Seymour Hersh, “the Obama team let it be known that it would not object to the planned resupply of ‘smart bombs’ and other hi-tech ordnance that was already flowing to Israel” and being used to slaughter mostly women and children. In Pakistan, the number of civilians killed by US missiles called drones has more than doubled since Obama took office.

In Afghanistan, the US “strategy” of killing Pashtun tribespeople (the “Taliban”) has been extended by Obama to give the Pentagon time to build a series of permanent bases right across the devastated country where, says Secretary Gates, the US military will remain indefinitely. Obama’s policy, one unchanged since the Cold War, is to intimidate Russia and China, now an imperial rival. He is proceeding with Bush’s provocation of placing missiles on Russia’s western border, justifying it as a counter to Iran, which he accuses, absurdly, of posing “a real threat” to Europe and the US. On 5 April in Prague, he made a speech reported as “anti-nuclear”. It was nothing of the kind. Under the Pentagon’s Reliable Replacement Warhead programme, the US is building new “tactical” nuclear weapons designed to blur the distinction between nuclear and conventional war.

Perhaps the biggest lie – the equivalent of smoking is good for you – is Obama’s announcement that the US is leaving Iraq, the country it has reduced to a river of blood. According to unabashed US army planners, as many as 70,000 troops will remain “for the next 15 to 20 years”. On 25 April, his secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, alluded to this. It is not surprising that the polls are showing that a growing number of Americans believe they have been suckered – especially as the nation’s economy has been entrusted to the same fraudsters who destroyed it. Lawrence Summers, Obama’s principal economic adviser, is throwing $3trn at the same banks that paid him more than $8m last year, including $135,000 for one speech. Change you can believe in.


www.johnpilger.com
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It had to be John Pilger...

John Pillock would be a better name for him. He's a worse version of Michael Moore.
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play the ball not the man

is he wrong?

I think he's been kind...
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change doesn't happen overnight! Very Happy
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true JH

One can start to see where his administration is heading.... and it looks very much like more of the sameonly with a 'nice' president not an evil one
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it's all relative. To the Republicans, Obama is a socialist. To Pilger, about 10000 light years to the left of the religious right, Obama is no different to Bush. To anyone who is reasonable, and looks at the facts, Obama is a massive seachange from Bush. Why?

- $1 trillion dollar stimulus
- Federalising healthcare
- Green energy policy
- Effectively nationalising the American auto industry
- US foreign policy a complete 360 from hardcore unilateralism to 'apology tour' multilateralism

There's a reason he gets called a socialist Laughing
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Big boats turn slowly.

The tone of that report does not sound particually objective. Its too one sided for my liking.
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heh love it how people set him up to fail to have something to complain about.
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yeah bob, people forced obama to promise certain things during the election just so they could day he's failed
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In 100 days? With all the backlogs that must occur in a system as vast as theirs?

Expecting the types of changes that commentator is talking about in that short a time frame is so ridiculous it's exasperating.
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"bob daktari" said:
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In his first 100 days, Obama has excused torture, opposed habeas corpus and demanded more secret government.

What an absurd first sentence. Lets just completely ignore context, direction, and intent shall we Mr Pilger?
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Yet again vad-d had it right.

Bow the fuck down. Politics is MY GAME, BITCHES
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Tell me what he promised for the 100 days, compare to what people set him up to do. 100 days to even start to revamp the US? give me a break. Of course hes going to 'fail' by those absurd measures.

I wont even read shite like the original quote.
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Jesus, he's only been President for 100 days, give him a break!

Lets look at the first one hundred days:

1/ Closing Guantánamo Bay and the secret prisons around the world;

2/ Confronting the CIA with the release of the torture memos.

3/ Turning against the concept of America as the national security state

4/ The $789bn stimulus bill

5/ Major interventions in housing and credit markets

6/ In foreign policy - Offering Iran a new relationship; restarting things with Russia; defining an exit strategy on Iraq; Redefining the war in Afghanistan; Appointing a world-class negotiator on Israel-Palestine; Accepting climate change, Cuba, and a major speech on Islam in Turkey ... Effectively, turning a generation of U.S. Foreign policy on its head.


Given there were 32 days of weekends in the first 100 days, that is about one new initiative every 5-6 days.
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fish_boy said:

4/ The $789bn stimulus bill



How is that different to Dubya's 750bn tax cut stimulus?

Srsly?

Obama ain't left wing. For fuck's sake.

He hasn't changed anything with Iraq or Afghanistan. His "Afghanistan" strategy is merely a mirror-image of the much derided Iraqi surge (which worked).
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yup
Stratfor sent an email out the other day saying he hasnt changed SFA but surprisingly is perceived as having done so.

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090427_obamas_first_hundred_days_and_u_s_presidential_realities
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I wonder if he is perceived to have changed things or will change.

Will change is of course guesswork but if a leaders role is to make people more optimistic then he seems to have done that and through that there is great benefit.

What people seem to miss is that to the US he is left, to the rest of the world he is less right. So someone commenting inside the US is likely to use different language than someone outside would which leads to this discussion.

But still, 100 days to change the US in a meaningful way? Apart from his election, which i think has changed the US what could he achieve? I believe he has started thing but those thing are going to take months/years/decades to bear fruit.
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bob said:


But still, 100 days to change the US in a meaningful way? A


Presidents have MASSIVE executive power. It's not like a NZ PM who has to work with Parliament/Caucus/Cabinet, a President can make major, meaningful changes in hours if they like.
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Sure, and the governor general can dissolve parliament.

Democracy is not about ripping things up its about building consensus.

Things will change, for the better, with obama over bush but it aint going to be a wholesale reorganisation in 12 months.

It wouldnt have been even if there wasnt a financial crisis.

Meh what the fuck did people expect?
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bob said:
But still, 100 days to change the US in a meaningful way? Apart from his election, which i think has changed the US what could he achieve? I believe he has started thing but those thing are going to take months/years/decades to bear fruit.


no one suggests that within 100 days there would be meaningful change

it is the direction his administration has shown its headed and it ain't much of a change
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Err historicly don't a lot of the meaningful changes in a presidents career come during the second term? Assuming they get one of course.

If Obama is smart he wont actually do anything too radical in his first term so as to ensure he gets a second one. I imagine he has both a four and eight year plan in place.

That's 1460 days after his inaugurationn and this guy is looking for meaningful change after just 100 days?

That last paragraph on Iraq is pretty LOL. America has thousands and thousands of troops permanently stationed all over the world, why would Iraq be any different.
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why is it different because someone said they would remove the troops from iraq... not slightly scale them back

as I keep repeating one can see trends from the administration so far... and they are not similar to the liberal rhetoric Obama's camp used to win the election

just as the democrats won Congress (was it congress or the senate...) during GW's term on a anti war platform and then were all about fighting wars when they got in - this is called lying, breaking promises....

considering the amount of space one leaders fales signiture on a shitty painting caused on these boards, does no one think perhaps obama's change of tact on getting the job signifys something? pilger has just "pilgered" those
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Rips said:
Err historicly don't a lot of the meaningful changes in a presidents career come during the second term? Assuming they get one of course.


In Dubya's case, exactly the opposite. he sucked first term but was pretty good second
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I'm pretty sure he has always said troops will remain in bases, for training and when called upon by Iraqi forces but NOT in active patrols.

Id also like to see the actual figures for troops to remain I thought it was much less than 70k.

On the quick change thing - I think it makes sense to get your people into the different organisations/ departments/ sectors that the govt controls before you start wholesale change. It would be very difficult/dangerous to make such drastic changes without having people who know their departments inside out calling the shots. Look at national a few decades ago.

The thread seems to be a bit of 'oh he hasnt changed the US/world in 100 days therefore he is EXACTLY the same as all the others. Dont set stupid measures of success and you wont get so despondent, or do, if it validates your despondent opinions.
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vadinho said:
Rips said:
Err historicly don't a lot of the meaningful changes in a presidents career come during the second term? Assuming they get one of course.


In Dubya's case, exactly the opposite. he sucked first term but was pretty good second


Some would argue with that, but still, the original post is correct.
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vadinho said:
Rips said:
Err historicly don't a lot of the meaningful changes in a presidents career come during the second term? Assuming they get one of course.


In Dubya's case, exactly the opposite. he sucked first term but was pretty good second

I'm struggling with this
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worth a watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWt8hTayupE

though hes not actually intending to spend less just in different ways.
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Jon Pilger?

Yeah right.
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The United States served notice yesterday that it finally intends to take firm action to combat the planet's climate crisis, announcing unprecedented plans to regulate vehicle emissions from 2012 with exhaust standards that match those sought for years by California and a handful of other states.

"This is staggering," said the governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger after hearing Mr Obama speak. "This president after 120 days in office has taken the action and pulled everyone together. We are ecstatic."


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10573464&pnum=0
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Mr. Obama deserves credit for accepting that civilians courts are largely unsuited for the realities of the war on terror. He has now decided to preserve a tribunal process that will be identical in every material way to the one favoured by Dick Cheney.
Wall Street Journal

Obama’s course is set and his presidency is already stained the familiar blood-red
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Laughing don't tell me you're reading the WSJ now bob d Shocked

of course not cos that's all over the underground lefty blogs

otherwise you'd also quote

Wall Street Journal said:
"Mr. Obama deserves credit for accepting that civilians courts are largely unsuited for the realities of the war on terror.
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did you miss the first part of my quote? As you've only repeated it

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Obama can give a great speech without mangling the language. He can smile and make people believe his rhetoric. The world, or much of it, seems to be content with the soft words that now drape Dick Cheney’s policies in pursuit of executive supremacy and U.S. hegemony.
Paul Craig Roberts
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lol pwn3d
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On practically every issue, the philosophies of the President and Mr Cheney are diametrically opposed.

Mr Cheney called the Obama approach "contrived indignation and phony moralising".

Mr Obama dismissed the idea that "the ends of fighting terrorism can be used to justify any means".


INDEPENDENT

get off the obama bashing bob d
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when the US stops torturing, illegally detaining innocents, their wars of aggression etc etc... and generally fucking this world over I shall stop

until then its business as usual for all
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lol then you'll have to start on China to keep you occupied
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Well bob daktari, with American debt as high as it is now (80.1 percent of GDP and projected to rise to 97% by 2110) you can be sure it will implicate their foreign policy, probably diminishing their clout for years to come.
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yeah, one wonders how the Chinese feel paying for the US's wars

have bomb have clout
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*That date above should read 2010 by the way.

I think the Chinese thought that holding American debt through T-Bills, would grant them political leverage over America, but I don't think holding this debt is quite as potent as they initially might have thought and has effectively allowed America to continue it's "War on Terror".
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I like this quote:

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Obama found himself in a real jam about Guantanamo. He and the rest of the Left had made a bogey of it... Well, Obama wins the election, and he finds that Guantanamo does the job... But he is stuck with his original language and assertions. What to do? You can't admit error; you can't cut the Bush administration any slack. So you cover Guantanamo with a fog of words... I think that is what Obama has done in this speech.


Jay Nordlinger, in the National Review, thinks the president has been forced to face facts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8062017.stm
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Obama to the world "you can't handle the truth"

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Obama's speech this morning, like most Obama speeches, made pretty points in rhetorically effective ways about the Constitution, our values, transparency, oversight, the state secrets privilege, and the rule of law. But his actions, in many critical cases, have repeatedly run afoul of those words.

Glenn Greenwald, of Salon.com


meanwhile Obama is trying to stop the disclosure of more Iraqi torture photos that allegedly show children being sodomised and tortured

america home of the brave
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"But the president strongly believes that the release of these photos, particularly at this time, would only serve the purpose of inflaming the theaters of war, jeopardizing U.S. forces, and making our job more difficult in places like Iraq and Afghanistan."


as C-in-C whether you like it or not that is his role

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There are videos of kids being raped in front of their mothers, according to Seymour Hersh.

Wonder if Obama ever considered showing those?

Anyway... I have faith in the internet and the carelessness of man.

It'll all come out eventually.
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I can't imagine how you could possibly think Obama would be doing the responsible thing* if he released these photos, bob_d...

* the responsible thing for America, of course
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I apprecaite that he has a role to play and he is doing what he thinks best re the photos - I wouldn't really expect much else of a US President

he's not closing the camps, not stopping the torture just further hiding it.... thus furthering the recruitment efforts of the terrorists - which one could argue is a derelection of duty, he's not making the US and its citizens safer, only more of a target to extremists

if the treatment of prisoners is as many speculate then what reason has one to stand up and defend a regime like that?

give me one good reason
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To me it sounds like he's trying to make good on his word but he is being blocked by congress and the usual bureaucy of political life.

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Mr Obama said the administration was reviewing every one of the 240 detainees still held at Guantanamo and considering what to do with them.

Where feasible, some would be tried in US civilian courts, he said; those who violated the laws of war would need to face a military commission; some had been ordered released by the courts; others could be safely transferred to another country.

The most tricky category, Mr Obama said, would be those detainees who could not be prosecuted but who posed a "clear danger to the American people".

Some detainees had received explosives training, or pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda, or made it clear, the president said, that they still wanted to kill Americans.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8062017.stm
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after all these years... give them their day in court or let them go

he's the president... make it happen

oh noes more talk
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IMO the only president that would have made instant radical changes is Ron Paul.
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He has to be president to do that and that propensity might be some of the reason why he isnt.

Obama is doing things that need to be done in a way that needs to be done given the realities of the US political system. He does not have the mandate to change the entire government system.

Way to set the guy up to reaffirm your pessimism.
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way to find excuses for a President....

if it was some other country (china for example) you people wouldn't be so quick to offer up a defence
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china doesn't have democracy or free speech

I'd be more inclined to acknowledge the left's integrity if it started there or is this an admission that the left has a secret aqenda to enslave us all

even if it is with islamofascism
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bob daktari said:
way to find excuses for a President....

if it was some other country (china for example) you people wouldn't be so quick to offer up a defence


Im not so what i would or wouldnt excuse china, but it would be easy to point out china isnt a democracy and is capable of true executive decisions; likewise with dictatorships.

Democracy requires *some* census building. Look at congress blocking some of Obamas plans.

Judge the guy on his term or at least his direction in the mean time.
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bob said:
He has to be president to do that and that propensity might be some of the reason why he isnt.


Stating the obvious, the reality of the situation is however that America actually needs a radical fiscal conservative in order to get out of the debt it's in. Staying in Iraq and Afghanistan and promoting fiscal stimulus packages simply will not do. They must cut Government expenditure on all fronts and attempt to balance the budget.
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prolonged detention... preventative detention... welcome to Obama's world
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Rival said:
bob said:
He has to be president to do that and that propensity might be some of the reason why he isnt.


Stating the obvious, the reality of the situation is however that America actually needs a radical fiscal conservative in order to get out of the debt it's in. Staying in Iraq and Afghanistan and promoting fiscal stimulus packages simply will not do. They must cut Government expenditure on all fronts and attempt to balance the budget.


Sure, the rest of the world can see this.
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This ones for you bob daktari
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and Peter Schiff:

"he offered change and all we're getting is more of the same"

-Daily Show 6/9/09
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Obama is just a nice face for the people, he is also a good orator, probably from being a lawyer. He might have been a good President under different circumstances, but certainly not these circumstances.

I like what Peter Schiff said in the other video I posted in the "Why the Meltdown Should Have Surprised No One" thread at exactly 0:57:13

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You know, when you have president Obama, is talking about how “everything is different in George Bush”, how “his administration is change”, “where doing it differently”, he hasn’t changed anything?!? He’s doing exactly what Bush did! He inherited the same situation, only worse, and he’s doing the same thing, only worse. His fiscal policy is worst than Bush’s, and it’s funny as he’s getting ready to sign a budget, propose a budget, with near 2 Trillion dollar deficit, in one year, he’s criticizing Bush for deficit spending? ~ Peter Schiff


Bush = Hoover
Obama = Roosevelt
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Bush = Bush
Obama = Obama

why do we ( sorry, americans) have to make these comparisons between presidents.... ??????

He was never going to be anything other than what he is, a conservative dressed up as a liberal... his voting record & life prior to becoming president screamed that... yet people chose not to see
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The comparison is noticeable because of the historical similarity of policies adopted by Presidents during the Great Depression bob.

The major difference between then and now, as far as people in power go, would be Henry Paulson compared to Andrew Mellon.

Also Obama is not a conservative dude, and if you want to argue that Obama is a neo-conservative (virtual chameleons) there is a big difference between neo-conservatives and true conservatives.

This is a true conservative: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA
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sorry CA purists.
I couldnt resist

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I wish the Democrats grow some balls and get rid of him.

I don't hear anything good about Obama these days. The latest was a commentator on National Radio this morning saying the Republicans have totally defined debate in the US about government debt, that this can only mean cutting government spending and not searching for new sources of revenue. And apparently in the context where latest figures have revealed the US recession stimulus package actually made money for government. Meanwhile Obama lords himself for reaching agreement with the GOP.Mad
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Really? I think Obama has been great for americas image, it is the republicans that are shafting the govt/country not him.
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And lol at trump suggesting he will run for president.

actually I will cry, they almost deserve him.
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they totally deserve trump... the US gets more batshit insane each and every day and Obama has lived up to pliger's claims... and surpassed them in many quarters

he's been great for their image in some quarters (those transfixed by sound bites) but scratch the surface and its not more than image
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I feel sorry for the guy... American politics has too much intertia for any substantial change in one or two terms...

And the Republicans are absolutely brilliant at controlling the message...
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Democratic strategists believe that House Republicans committed political suicide by voting to approve Representative Paul Ryan’s budget plan last week.

Obama skillfully framed Ryan’s budget during a major speech on the deficit earlier in the week, contrasting his vision of “shared sacrifice” with Ryan’s “deeply pessimistic” plan to gut the social safety net and redistribute income upwards. After a week of enjoying the limelight, the “bold” and “courageous” Mr. Ryan, an instant media darling, suddenly looked like something of a fool.

Recent polls show that Americans disapprove of his record on the deficit. But sizable majorities agree that a combination of spending cuts and tax hikes on the wealthy—Obama’s vision—is the best prescription for the nation’s fiscal malady.”

http://www.thenation.com/blog/160030/obama-vs-ryan-whos-winning-deficit-debate?rel=emailNation
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So...
I was right about HILARY CLINTON you misogynist wankers.

AND
If McCain, a WAR HERO, had won, we wouldn't have the godamned nightmare of Donald-fucking-Trump potentially becoming POTUS Sad
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